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Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by ceejayoz on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @12:30PM (#3915130)
> it's not so much that. It's the stigmatizing that they're doing -- as if you're somehow 'bad' by not being an organ donor.

Well, you are, if you ask me. Not donating is tremendously selfish, I'd say.

> edit: for example, why doesn't he do some social engineering to help all the starving children in third world countries?

Organ donation costs me nothing. It is an act that has zero downside to me. Donating food has at least some downside, as it deprives me of something (money or food) I would have had.

Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by dspillett on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:48PM (#3915539)
> Well, you are, if you ask me. Not donating is tremendously selfish, I'd say.

I don't disagree with you in the general case, but remember that some people can not donate for medical reasons, or because of significant social pressure. While it is easy for us to say "fuck your family / church / other peer group, they are a silly bunch of idiots / misinformeds / fundies who you are better off without anyway" on the social pressure front it really isn't that easy for people in such a situation. Anything that stigmatizes someone in that position will push them further into the hold of the errant peer group as they'll feel less welcome outside of it.

> Organ donation costs me nothing.

I'm told that the key problem, in this country anyway, is not people who don't want to donate but people who either never state a preference or do so and never explain their wishes to their family (who can and too often do override a donors instructions). Why is hasn't been legislated that the family can't override a person's decision to donate I'm not sure (though I suspect it has something to do with lobbying from certain religious groups).

Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by drivingmenuts on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @12:49PM (#3915246)
Selfish, maybe, but that's still a very personal choice and one that doesn't cause any direct harm, if you choose not to.

We are all well within our rights not to donate organs.

Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by pazimzadeh on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @12:56PM (#3915286)
How do you mean? There is a shortage of organs for transplants. If you don't donate, another person will die. That's pretty direct.
Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by drivingmenuts on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:54PM (#3915572)
But I am not the cause of that person's death. The cause of their death will likely be disease or accident or some other thing unrelated to my person. Learn the difference between direct and indirect.
Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by ceejayoz on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @12:59PM (#3915309)
Sure, but I've the right to think someone who doesn't opt to donate them is something of a dick for indirectly causing needless deaths/suffering.
Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by tomjen3 on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:14PM (#3915379)
If Wallmart ran campaings saying that democrats were stupid and Jebuss was our saviour, would you be more or less willing to do business with them?
Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by tomjen3 on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:12PM (#3915371)
Organ donation is stupid. It makes you feel good, but how do you prevent your liver from going to an alchoholic who likes to fuck children?

Demand to control your organs and what they are used for.

Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by dspillett on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:57PM (#3915593)
> Organ donation is stupid.

You would not think that is you or someone you cared about needed a new organ.

> how do you prevent your liver from going to an alchoholic who likes to fuck children?

Er, I think the 1 in x00,000 chance of my organs helping someone like that is a risk worth taking for the much much higher chance they will help decent people.

There is nothing that I can do to stop my organs being donated to people who say dickish things on the Internet like you just have either - and if there were processes available by which I could express a preference there are a lot of people who would jump the queue in front of you should you be needing and otherwise next in line at the time.

You could use exactly the same ludicrous argument to "defend" never giving anything to any charity or other cause.

Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by ceejayoz on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:21PM (#3915402)
> Organ donation is stupid. It makes you feel good, but how do you prevent your liver from going to an alchoholic who likes to fuck children?

I'd imagine that particular combination is reasonably rare, and most donation organizations require alcoholics to demonstrate abstinence from alcohol for 6+ months to be eligible.

Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by tomjen3 on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:22PM (#3915409)
Ex alchoholic then.

I was personally more concerned with the child-rapist part.

Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by ceejayoz on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:33PM (#3915466)
I wasn't, mainly because anyone proven to be one is presumably in jail and thus has a much harder time finding a transplant.
Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by horsehead on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:10PM (#3915358)
I think my point is this: how is this any different from religious evangelizing? It's pushing his personal views on other people needlessly. And Zuckerberg using a platform as large as facebook to cajole people into revealing stuff like this to satisfy his personal desire to support some arbitrary cause, it displays a high degree of irresponsibility.
Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by ceejayoz on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:44PM (#3915517)
Really? This is what shows Facebook to be irresponsible?

I didn't see many folks on HN complaining that Facebook/Google/etc. shouldn't take an advocacy position on SOPA, so it strikes me as odd how controversial Facebook taking one on organ donation is.

Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by awj on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @03:46PM (#3916077)
> I didn't see many folks on HN complaining that Facebook/Google/etc. shouldn't take an advocacy position on SOPA, so it strikes me as odd how controversial Facebook taking one on organ donation is.

That's because Facebook and Google had legitimate business interests involved in SOPA. Unless Facebook is getting into the organ donation business, I don't see how your example is relevant.

Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by horsehead on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @12:43PM (#3915207)
See, this is exactly why this sort of thing should not be on facebook. It will contribute to a decay of relations between people who think someone is a bad person for not donating and someone who thinks there is nothing wrong with not donating.
Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by pazimzadeh on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @12:54PM (#3915273)
And? It's not Facebook's job to make people like each other, and I'm sure you won't have to share your donor status if you don't want to. There are plenty of things that people can judge you about on Facebook (sex, race, attractiveness, religious views).
Re:Facebook Is Urging Members to Add Organ Donor Status by horsehead on Tuesday May 01, 2012 @01:02PM (#3915322)
Pazimzadeh:

""The company announced a plan on Tuesday morning to encourage everyone on Facebook to start advertising their donor status on their pages, along with their birth dates and schools""

When facebook has 'a plan' to get you to share this, it gets to a level above simply putting your religious views et al on your FB page.