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Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by throwaway55479 on Friday January 26, 2024 @10:59AM (#39144129)
Israel's tactic has always been deterrence: I will inflict you so much pain that you will think twice before doing this again. Despite being proven wrong, a "realist politician' will automatically think of adding more (and then some) deterrence as the only solution.

I remember 20 years ago, during the first bombing of Gaza, they hit just ONE building and felt pressured enough to apologize for the handful of civilian deaths. Unfortunately, faced with larger threats (real or imaginary) and weak international pressure, Israel has been able to escalate the level of deterrence through the years to what we are witnessing now.

That is why any ruling to curb that "automatic" escalation (like today) is wholeheartedly welcomed.

IMO there are also subtler layers of racism coloring these policies. It's not as blatant as the far-right rhetoric, but a persistent undertone within elements of Israeli society justifies severe deterrence tactics and totally overide any empathy learnt from historical lessons.

Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by objektif on Friday January 26, 2024 @01:56PM (#39146476)
No essentially it is as simple as how any abuser bully behaves. They will continue their behavior as long as they are allowed to. Look at US for enabling them.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by exe34 on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:05PM (#39146607)
Doesn't really matter what you choose to call it, they will make sure there's no Hamas to do it again.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by objektif on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:09PM (#39146676)
Hamas should not exist that is not the point. It is the civilians. They will also not exist if it goes on like this.
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Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by dang on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:27PM (#39146957)
You've been posting repeatedly to this thread in a way that has been crossing into flamewar and breaking the intended spirit that I tried to express in my pinned comment at the top. Could you please stop doing this? It leads to hellish flamewar, and we don't want that here.

I am certain that you have very legitimate reasons for feeling strongly. Whatever your reasons may be, I respect them. At the same time, posting in a thread like this has to do with how one manages one's feelings: do they express themselves in (let's call it) a weaponized way? if so, that's against the intended spirit here. Or can you post in a way that is somehow larger than that? No one can be asked to do the latter, but I do think we can ask commenters to refrain from posting if they can't get there.

Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by exe34 on Friday January 26, 2024 @05:53PM (#39149929)
Thank you! Will shut up!
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Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by dang on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:27PM (#39146958)
You've been posting repeatedly to this thread in a way that has been crossing into flamewar and breaking the intended spirit that I tried to express in my pinned comment at the top. Could you please stop doing this? It leads to hellish flamewar, and we don't want that here.

I am certain that you have very legitimate reasons for feeling strongly. Whatever your reasons may be, I respect them. At the same time, posting in a thread like this has to do with how one manages one's feelings: do they express themselves in (let's call it) a weaponized way? if so, that's against the intended spirit here. Or can you post in a way that is somehow larger than that? No one can be asked to do the latter, but I do think we can ask commenters to refrain from posting if they can't get there.

Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by bitcharmer on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:53PM (#39147301)
Dang, I think it would be better if you just didn't take sides on this and stopped policing vigorously. Both comments here are nowhere flame war territory.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by dang on Friday January 26, 2024 @03:08PM (#39147526)
The moderation issue here is not those two comments but the repeated pattern in each case.

Past experience has unfortunately made it clear that moderation needs to be relatively active on topics that are as divisive as this one. I wish it weren't so.

Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by objektif on Friday January 26, 2024 @07:22PM (#39150834)
Hi Dang can you please specify what I did wrong here? Is it the back and forward?
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by dang on Friday January 26, 2024 @09:15PM (#39151728)
That, plus using inflammatory rhetoric rather than trying to relate to or connect with the other person.

You're far from the only person who has been posting that way, but it's what we're trying to avoid here.

Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by sebzim4500 on Friday January 26, 2024 @04:27PM (#39148679)
There is no way there would be 25k deaths in Gaza this year had the astrocities of Oct 7th not happened.

The Israel-Hamas War is entirely a response to this event.

Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by bsaul on Friday January 26, 2024 @01:58PM (#39146503)
Note that the least you can say is that escalation is happening on both sides. Oct 7 level of atrocities has never been seen before in israel.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by throwaway55479 on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:19PM (#39146847)
Yes. That is why I said: faced with larger threats

What I can add is that this is indeed not just a "larger" threat for them. It "activated" a millennium-deep Jewish trauma (through pogroms up to the Holocaust). Deep, very deep.

Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by LegitShady on Friday January 26, 2024 @04:53PM (#39149082)
I think any country faced with the same situation would act the same, or even less restrained. It's not some kind of esoteric jewish trauma.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by throwaway55479 on Friday January 26, 2024 @05:38PM (#39149755)
Maybe. However, the situation itself is so special, I'm not sure how you would "generalize it" to others. And there is really nothing esoteric about the deep trauma. It is widely documented.
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Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by dang on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:38PM (#39147089)
Since you've continued to post in the flamewar style after we repeatedly asked you to stop, I've banned this account. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39146733 also.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.