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Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by ska on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:41PM (#39137027)
> This happens all the time.

Not only does it happen all the time, it's often the only way to sort out what legislation means in practice.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by roenxi on Thursday January 25, 2024 @07:24PM (#39137381)
And adds substantially to the cost of compliance; one suspects. Dealing with a regulator is not a cheap process; there are a lot of lawyers involved.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by chongli on Thursday January 25, 2024 @07:51PM (#39137592)
I’m sure not only does Apple have a host of lawyers working on understanding this specific regulation but they have gone through the process of developing rigorous estimates of the costs and benefits of compliance vs litigation. Given the size of Apple’s market and the potential for other countries to follow suit with their own regulations pending these cases, they have likely deemed compliance to be extremely costly to their business. In that case, their potential budget for fighting this may be enormous.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by roenxi on Thursday January 25, 2024 @08:10PM (#39137733)
Oh yeah, it was an aside. I'm not worried about the world-leading US and Asian incumbents. Expensive regulations help incumbents. I'm more worried about the local EU companies that play in this market. Or I would be, something mysterious (sotto voce probably regulatory expenses) put them out of business.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by rezonant on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:10PM (#39138865)
That's the thing about the DMA. These provisions only apply if you hit a certain extreme market presence. These regulations do not apply to those small companies.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by kccqzy on Thursday January 25, 2024 @08:15PM (#39137773)
That's a very U.S. centric perspective. It's somewhat less in the EU than in the U.S. to involve courts so readily.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by nozzlegear on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:28PM (#39138267)
Apple is a very U.S. centric company so it makes sense they’re going to do things this way.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by jacquesm on Friday January 26, 2024 @12:48AM (#39139300)
It actually doesn't, they are operating in Europe so they have to do things that way.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by late2part on Friday January 26, 2024 @01:00AM (#39139362)
Then why aren't they?
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by Maxion on Friday January 26, 2024 @03:48AM (#39140240)
They soon will
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by OJFord on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:35PM (#39138324)
It's a common law perspective really (writing from the UK) - laws are interpreted by judges and that forms a body of past cases which 'fill in the gaps' so to speak, and become the rule for the future. In contrast to civil law in much of Europe which attempts to codify everything, leaving nothing to interpretation. (I'm no expert - I don't know what happens when they come across a gap, the proceedings are suspended until legislators full it in I suppose?)

A US-centric perspective, stereotypically, would be like 'my Starbucks coffee is too cold, I am suing'. You can have common law without sue-happy individuals.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by anticensor on Friday January 26, 2024 @12:56AM (#39139337)
Or, sue-happy individuals without common law, such as in Latin America.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by ElFitz on Friday January 26, 2024 @01:14AM (#39139433)
> I'm no expert - I don't know what happens when they come across a gap, the proceedings are suspended until legislators full it in I suppose?

No, the judges rule with what they have, based on the case’s specifics and the "legislator’s intent" underpinning existing law.

Although it does not become law, their ruling can be used as precedent in later similar cases, until the legislator catches up.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by hnbad on Friday January 26, 2024 @06:28AM (#39141445)
The difference is that precedent can guide a judge's decision, it doesn't force it.

Likewise in civil law the judge isn't simply a referee, they're meant to actively investigate. While in common law lawyers get to do a big show by asking various questions, in civil law the questions are asked by the judge and the lawyers only exist to make an argument.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by mdekkers on Friday January 26, 2024 @01:23AM (#39139474)
> That's a very U.S. centric perspective. It's somewhat less common in the EU than in the U.S. to involve courts so readily.

For people, yes. For businesses, absolutely not.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by rsynnott on Friday January 26, 2024 @08:02AM (#39142159)
Eh. I think "break the rules and see what happens" has been a _very_ common means of GDPR 'compliance' in Europe, in general. Worked, too, at least for a while; the first fines >100million only showed up in 2022 or so.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by freeAgent on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:42PM (#39137037)
Yup.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by addicted on Friday January 26, 2024 @08:08AM (#39142216)
In the U.S. maybe.

In the EU Apple could have sorted this out with regulators without having to involve lawsuits and legal proceedings.

Unfortunately Apple has a strong deeply held conviction about its walled garden which it’s unwilling to compromise on.

Tim Cook’s hundreds of millions in salary/bonus are dependent on Apple being able to extract a 30% cut out of the entire app and media ecosystem.