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Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by mcfedr on Thursday January 25, 2024 @03:27PM (#39134770)
Here's hoping the EU just says no to this bull that Apple are coming up with. The so called "core technology" is sold by Apple to the user in iOS.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by buzzert on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:04PM (#39135271)
It's not, actually. It's the salaries of the engineers who work on the frameworks and OS that underpin the apps these developers are writing.

Are you proposing we should go back to charging users for software updates? Personally, I think it makes more sense to take a cut from other people doing business on top of the platform.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by summerlight on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:09PM (#39135328)
Profit from the iPhone business alone should be much more than enough to pay those OS/framework developers since Apple claims that iOS and iPhone are indivisible/unsubstitutable parts to each other.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by kevingadd on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:20PM (#39135471)
If Apple inexplicably chooses to sell iDevices so cheaply that they can't afford to pay the people who build the software for it, that's their mistake. The EU isn't forcing them to do that, neither are app developers. They've had years to remedy any pricing mistakes they made in the past and price their hardware appropriately.

They also pull in billions of dollars every year from their 30% cut on gambling/gacha games, and do almost nothing to earn that (those games have to provide their own updater/CDN because the Apple/Google ones aren't good enough, and those games don't meaningfully rely on Apple/Google for things like quality assurance or marketing.) Apple will be fine even if their Europe-specific cut is halved.

Claiming they're going to suffer or be unable to pay employees is simply not supported by any evidence.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by buzzert on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:24PM (#39135516)
There's a difference between the one-time upfront cost of purchasing a device, and the recurring cost of supporting it with software updates (which is, in the most recent case, sometimes mandated). It's not a "pricing mistake".
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by layer8 on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:38PM (#39135719)
Yes it is a pricing mistake. If I only use the built-in apps, Apple will earn nothing from my app usage, but they still have to provide security updates. And that should be the end of it.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by buzzert on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:05PM (#39136685)
> still have to provide security updates

"Have to"? For how long?

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by layer8 on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:16PM (#39136805)
At least five years, under the upcoming Cyber Resilience Act.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by summerlight on Thursday January 25, 2024 @05:07PM (#39136052)
It's their job to set the proper price to cover the recurring cost, like all other companies.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by kevingadd on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:28PM (#39135582)
You can bake that into the list price of the device based on how long you offer warranty coverage and/or updates. Every device vendor is already doing this unless they're completely clueless.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by jeppester on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:50PM (#39135866)
If they can't fund OS development without their App Store profits, which I highly doubt, then they should charge more for their OS.

It cannot be a valid argument against regulation that your monopoly product supports other nonprofitable parts of your business.

Such constructions are hurting competition and maintaining the status quo. It is very difficult to compete against a product which is priced unsustainably cheap.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by bryan_w on Thursday January 25, 2024 @05:25PM (#39136251)
Ideally you want your customers to be your customers and not your products. That way, the incentives are aligned
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by mcfedr on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:47AM (#39139869)
Yet they managed to do this for years for free when they had their walled garden up and and supposedly offered so much value to developers with their app store and such