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Re:Culture Change at Google by treprinum on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:20AM (#39052535)
My very first boss that I believe is an undiagnosed psychopath is now director level over there. That told me everything I needed to know about any possible direction of the company. I no longer use anything made by them and actively steer everyone I know away to alternatives.
Re:Culture Change at Google by the_gipsy on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:52AM (#39052777)
Re:Culture Change at Google by InCityDreams on Friday January 19, 2024 @04:30AM (#39053446)
>the Gervais Principle

Which it's not really, as it only considers the US version. "The characters portrayed here are based upon other characters that RG invented."

Re:Culture Change at Google by selfawareMammal on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:26AM (#39052593)
After being in multiple orgs and having been in touch with c-suite, I have suspicions that lack of total empathy and psychopathic tendencies are a must to get to really high social-based positions.
Re:Culture Change at Google by saiya-jin on Friday January 19, 2024 @03:15AM (#39052914)
They are practically a must just to get there... to thrive in this 'layer' of society, a person is quite far away from regular average human in various worst ways possible
Re:Culture Change at Google by treprinum on Friday January 19, 2024 @01:04PM (#39058825)
I know headhunters that specialize in identifying highly functioning sociopaths for leadership roles. But experiencing total dehumanization of others first-hand and subsequent rise of that person is something one never forgets.
Re:Culture Change at Google by SkyMarshal on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:25AM (#39052583)
What alternatives do you recommend for email? That's my one google service I have difficulty getting away from.
Re:Culture Change at Google by johannessjoberg on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:38AM (#39052684)
Fastmail is great and worth the small cost imo
Re:Culture Change at Google by slices on Friday January 19, 2024 @09:35AM (#39055936)
aren't they still in Oz, with its govt mandated backdoors?
Re:Culture Change at Google by zahllos on Sunday January 21, 2024 @07:32AM (#39077868)
Yes and probably, but then Google is in the US.
Re:Culture Change at Google by the_third_wave on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:43AM (#39052731)
Self-host, easy. No matter the hordes of detractors who will tell you this is impossible and that all your mail will be /dev/nulled by all the usual suspects (Microsoft, Microsoft and Microsoft being the main culprit here, Gmail comes in second) the truth is that you'll be fine as long as you make sure to configure things like SPF and DKIM correctly and you're either using a smarthost for outgoing mail (ask your IAP whether they provide one) or are on a reputable network.

A SBC like a Raspberry Pi is sufficient to host mail services for a fairly large number of people. Filter out spam with Spamassassin and a greylist, run sieve to organise your incoming mail flow, use specific mail addresses when communicating with commercial and government organisations and you'll end up asking yourself why so many people insist that self-hosting mail is not an option.

Now that you're self-hosting mail you can also self-host XMPP using the same address making it possible for people to reach you through either SMTP (mail) or XMPP (instant messaging/voice/video calling) using that address. This can be hosted on that same SBC without problems.

Source: my own experience self-hosting mail (and more) since the 90's. If it worked on a 486DX2-66 it should work on a quad-core 1.5GHz 64-bit ARM...

Re:Culture Change at Google by the_third_wave on Friday January 19, 2024 @10:14AM (#39056498)
It would be interesting to hear why the armchair experts clicked that vote-down arrow instead of reacting. The fact that you think self-hosting mail can not be done does not mean others can not do it. If you happen to work for a mail hosting company and feel you need to grey out potential competition that'd be understandable (if fraudulent) but otherwise I do not understand this reaction. Does the fact that others can self-host make you feel insecure? Does the fact that this gives those people freedom and the opportunity to evade censorship threaten you? Let's hear it, I'm interested in understanding the background for this ever so common reaction to any suggestion of not letting the experts handle things like this.
Re:Culture Change at Google by skazazes on Friday January 19, 2024 @12:09PM (#39057894)
I'll bite. I am willing to bet the majority of people down voting you are more than capable of hosting an email server. But like me, see it as not worth the potential risks involved.

Before even considering why someone might not choose to do so, I would like to point out that selfhosting email is not even that hard to do nowadays. I spent a couple hours a few years back manually setting up a stack on a dummy domain just to see if its as hard as developer circles make it out to be. It was not. Furthermore a quick search today nets half a dozen docker containers you can spin up that claim to be one stop solutions for email. If even a fraction of them succeed in what they claim you could self host email with one command and an env file. You could even use the dockerfiles as a template to run the software on metal, its all there.

Even with this newfound knowledge, and as someone who tries to selfhost equivalents to any service I find myself using regularly, I would never attempt to host my own main emails. My bank accounts are linked to my emails, my investment accounts, my insurance, my loans, things that I am not willing to risk compromising my ability to access as the result of some sort of overly prideful sentiment.

Just because someone has the ability and knowledge to host their own email does not mean they should or would even consider it.

Re:Culture Change at Google by SkyMarshal on Friday January 19, 2024 @12:29PM (#39058210)
Those are all good reasons not to self-host, but none are good reasons to downvote someone advocating self-hosting and providing some useful info about it. I don't get the downvote-brigading here either, especially on a hacker website.
Re:Culture Change at Google by skazazes on Friday January 19, 2024 @12:44PM (#39058474)
Fair enough, I assume the down votes came as a result of the tone.
Re:Culture Change at Google by the_third_wave on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:04PM (#39059602)
What is wrong with the tone? Is it wrong to point out that those who advocate taking care of one's own digital needs - a.k.a. self-hosting - tend to get shouted or voted down on this here Hacker News site which, if going by its name only would be just the place you'd expect to be the refuge for those who like to tinker and who value self-sufficiency?
Re:Culture Change at Google by redcobra762 on Friday January 19, 2024 @07:54PM (#39063491)
Yes, to put it simply. It’s a violation of the HN guidelines to complain about voting.

> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

Re:Culture Change at Google by SkyMarshal on Friday January 19, 2024 @12:30PM (#39058223)
Thanks, I was hoping someone would provide an update on self-hosting too, in addition to service recommendations. I may test it out, thx for the info.
Re:Culture Change at Google by unethical_ban on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:37AM (#39052673)
I use Protonmail. Free tier I think, but I pay $10 a month for a bundle that allows custom domains, calendar, VPN, and storage.
Re:Culture Change at Google by atomlib on Friday January 19, 2024 @04:10AM (#39053317)
You pay $120 per year, not $10 per month.
Re:Culture Change at Google by Doctor_Fegg on Friday January 19, 2024 @03:01AM (#39052820)
Runbox is good.
Re:Culture Change at Google by brodo on Friday January 19, 2024 @07:50AM (#39054840)
Re:Culture Change at Google by psd1 on Sunday January 21, 2024 @08:16AM (#39078172)
Runbox
Re:Culture Change at Google by operatingthetan on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:27AM (#39052605)
>undiagnosed psychopath

Eh, I've seen these in every kind of company, none are immune.

Re:Culture Change at Google by com on Friday January 19, 2024 @03:20AM (#39052953)
If you’re in a business still in control of your own destiny, you could do what we did and keep a weather eye out for sociopathy-aligned behaviours and gently work them out while minimising danger.

It worked reasonably well at one place I was at for about 8 years, estimating one of those characters popping up every 200-500 hires.

It’s the strategic side to your internal integrity function. Typically recruit folks who are lightning rods for these kinds of behaviours: young, female, brown, queer members of staff - don’t forget reception annf cleaning personnel! - and train them (often not necessary!) to spot abuse of power, bullying, threats and gaslighting and to confidentially report it.

Catch people with these behaviours early and divert the smart ones, fire the dumb ones. Sure, you’ll lose your next CEO, but did you want to work for that kind of person?

Re:Culture Change at Google by foofie on Friday January 19, 2024 @04:36AM (#39053481)
> My very first boss that I believe is an undiagnosed psychopath is now director level over there. That told me everything I needed to know about any possible direction of the company. I no longer use anything made by them and actively steer everyone I know away to alternatives.

I had a boss who was a manager at one of Google's flagship products, and he made it his point to not let anyone forget it. He pushed people to work nights and weekends, he berated team members and threatened firing them during daily meetings, he overrode engineer's calls to not release a product to claim he released it before schedule, he threatened the same engineers if anything went wrong during the illadvisable release, etc.

He was since hired as a VP of engineering of another global company.

Re:Culture Change at Google by euroderf on Friday January 19, 2024 @10:58AM (#39056937)
"The typical company is like a septic tank.

It's the biggest chunks that rise to the top."