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Re:Culture Change at Google by elektrontamer on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:09AM (#39052471)
How is that even possible? Won't he just get exposed in the first performace review? Or is he in some cushy managerial role?
Re:Culture Change at Google by rightbyte on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:24AM (#39052569)
Your boss got no clue how hard or easy your work is usually. Even if he is a good programmer you need to more or less work side by side to get a grip on someones performance.

And smooth talkers game peer reviews.

Re:Culture Change at Google by romanovcode on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:24AM (#39052571)
I've worked in one big company when something like this actually happened. First week one developer blatantly said to management in-front of the scammer that the scammer (CTO) doesn't know anything about technology and is a complete fraud.

The developer got fired 10 minutes later. Others took note to not challenge him if they want to keep their job.

That happened ~10 years ago and I am actually grateful for that experience because I was just starting out, the scammer indirectly taught me much more about how to scam and lie your way to the top, how to sell your ideas to unaware management and most importantly - that office politics are 10x more important than merit in big companies.

Re:Culture Change at Google by jjav on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:53AM (#39052786)
> that office politics are 10x more important than merit in big companies

My experience (5 startups) is that office politics are 100x more important in small startups. Everything is more concentrated, including the politics. That's why there is so much cofounder drama to go around.

At least in a big company there's a lot of inertia and process to tone down the politics a little bit.

Re:Culture Change at Google by shiroiuma on Friday January 19, 2024 @04:13AM (#39053331)
Yeah, I agree. Anecdotes like the GP's just show that big companies aren't immune to these problems (and some big companies are better-run than others). These problems can happen at any company. My experience, at both big and small and also medium-size companies, is that smaller companies usually have much less process and procedures, and can vary greatly from one to another. Big companies have evolved procedures and processes to try to mitigate these human problems. So, for instance, you're much more likely to see sexual harassment and discrimination in a smaller company: if the guy who owns the place is cool with it, it'll be the norm there. Huge companies don't get to be huge these days by tolerating that stuff, and they have a lot of money to lose in a lawsuit, so they put a lot of effort into insulating themselves: anti-harassment training for employees, etc.
Re:Culture Change at Google by taurath on Friday January 19, 2024 @06:19AM (#39054177)
Goodness yes. Your relationships literally are your career at small startups. Your reputation means everything. Not to mention the nepotism and the privilege - the people with truckloads of money meeting for dinners afterwards while those who’ve had to budget a house payment in 10 years go for a beer.
Re:Culture Change at Google by ljm on Friday January 19, 2024 @08:28AM (#39055125)
Funnily enough my experience of politics was far worse in a larger, more established company than a smaller one.

Maybe a different kind of politics, but it was toxic as fuck and my career was basically at the mercy of heads and directors that I would never have reason to interact with. Hit a bump on a project that causes a delay? Expect some higher up to threaten the prospects of the entire team unless we got it done on time.

Most of the people engaging and benefitting from such cut-throat politics and gossip had no right to be in such management positions. Non-existent leadership skills.

Tiny startups can be equally rough but at least it's more direct.

Re:Culture Change at Google by boxed on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:32AM (#39052642)
You learned how to assume the world is broken, and not fix it. That's the path back to a hunter gatherer society. I think that's the wrong lesson to learn.
Re:Culture Change at Google by vkazanov on Friday January 19, 2024 @04:14AM (#39053338)
This might sound rough but the lesson should be "don't be an idiot".

Time for shouting "king's naked!" comes eventually but people who ignore timing will end up losing this game. The secret to this is to understand how other decision-makers see the status quo. Who made a bet on this person? Who understands that he is THE problem? Is right now the best time for a direct opposition?

And sometimes it's just easier to accept that it may make sense to work elsewhere.

Re:Culture Change at Google by Intralexical on Friday January 19, 2024 @03:23AM (#39052971)
Hard agree. But yet, what became of the one who did try to fix it?
Re:Culture Change at Google by protomolecule on Friday January 19, 2024 @03:49AM (#39053146)
He left that shitty place early and lived happily ever after?
Re:Culture Change at Google by romanovcode on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:43AM (#39052728)
I learned how big companies function and how to get ahead quick. The two things - politics and competence are not mutually exclusive.
Re:Culture Change at Google by sumtechguy on Friday January 19, 2024 @10:44AM (#39056781)
I had one project where there were about 10 people working on it. Shipped about 10k units. Doing decent but not hockey stick money. Until we hired one guy. We went from a 10 man team to 2. He could not get along with any one. No one could approach his amazingness. He would triangulate people and get them kicked out of the group. Soon those 10k units and 5 customers were getting rather pissed off as nothing was getting done other than giant presentations. He really wanted to be a manager in 6 months.

Before he could infect another group with his special touch I politically maneuvered him into the most boring of tasks that no one wanted to do. He had run the one project into the ground. At the right moment I used his own triangulation manipulation bits on him. I had to become that which I despised to basically take him out before he did too much damage. I had him shunted off to a task that if it was done no one cared. It was a pity too as he was a competent programmer. But had too much of an ego to listen to the other decent programmers around him.

Moral of that story? There are jerks out there that will take out a well functioning team and not even see they are doing it. Beware of them. The world is not broken. But there are those who start fires because they like to make messes.

Re:Culture Change at Google by OJFord on Friday January 19, 2024 @07:30AM (#39054670)
> that office politics are 10x more important than merit in big companies.

's/big //'