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Re:Flattr is closing down by supriyo-biswas on Thursday January 18, 2024 @08:35AM (#39041502)
> Twitch subscriptions and Patreon has shown, that if you bind a website/project to a creator

> Most websites, and indeed open source projects are pretty faceless, and require limited interaction with it's creator

This is ultimately a polite way of saying that the "author" (which can be a content creator, a OSS maintainer) needs to establish a parasocial relationship, use a self-aggrandizing approach, and create drama to entertain its users.

This does work for content creators on Youtube, Patreon or Onlyfans, but ultimately detracts from the mission of delivering quality content that is useful or positively entertaining for the consumers of said content. The fans created in this way can go on to defend your failings or can be taken advantage of in a weakness, as can be seen in the case of the LTT sexual harassment allegation case and the health situation of Physics Girl.

However, I see no way for this to work in an open-source project, because users of an open source project mostly care about the functionality provided. Creating a parasocial relationship is mostly not viable in this space due to limited interaction, as you pointed out.

I've seen a few instances of OSS project maintainers using a chest-thumping, holier-than-thou approach to create drama, and said projects have either mostly become irrelevant over time or the open source project has continued to get attention only because the character of the maintainer has been buried and not well known to most.

Re:Flattr is closing down by PurpleRamen on Thursday January 18, 2024 @11:23AM (#39043681)
> and create drama to entertain its users.

You don't need Drama, but you should indeed communicate and deliver something worth the peoples' money. I mean, there are many big and small creators who just steadily and silently deliver their work and have usually no drama at all.

Drama is just popular because it's cheap, fast, and any idiot can create it. So people who have nothing else of worth, tend to live from this.

Re:Flattr is closing down by bawolff on Thursday January 18, 2024 @11:25AM (#39043704)
Sometimes i feel like people make too much of the "parasocial" buzzword, as if its new.

Entertainers have been doing the pass the hat thing for hundreds of years. It is not a new phenomenom.

Historically, it has generally worked for entertainers, and i guess religion. I don't think there are historical paralells to open source really. Maybe it just doesn't work for that sort of thing.

Re:Flattr is closing down by throwawayq3423 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @01:26PM (#39045546)
Yes but entertainers always remained on stage, they didn't enter your home (as smart phones allow) and talk to you 1 on 1.
Re:Flattr is closing down by Dylan16807 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @04:11PM (#39047800)
Personally, when I watch a big stream, the screen being in my house doesn't make it feel any less like the entertainer is on stage.

And when there's 15 people watching, that does enable real conversations.

Re:Flattr is closing down by throwawayq3423 on Friday January 19, 2024 @06:15PM (#39062700)
Entertainment for TV rarely has the same immersion, Tiktoks etc. feel like they are speaking directly to you.
Re:Flattr is closing down by Dylan16807 on Friday January 19, 2024 @09:25PM (#39064047)
They do? I don't feel that way when I watch tiktoks.
Re:Flattr is closing down by bawolff on Friday January 19, 2024 @04:44PM (#39061632)
Rich people often pay for private performances.
Re:Flattr is closing down by throwawayq3423 on Friday January 19, 2024 @06:14PM (#39062695)
What does the 1% have to do with anything, i'm talking about entertainment at scale.
Re:Flattr is closing down by bawolff on Friday January 19, 2024 @11:02PM (#39064540)
What percent of people do you think form parasocial bonds with social media personalities? Its probably less than 1% of the population (albeit not neccesarily the rich 1%)
Re:Flattr is closing down by robertlagrant on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:16PM (#39047025)
Entertainers aren't pretending to be your friend, or lover, in exchange for money.
Re:Flattr is closing down by blargey on Thursday January 18, 2024 @07:08PM (#39049862)
Exactly. Normal Patreons and such are run by entertainers/craftspeople who aren't pretending to be your friend, or lover.
Re:Flattr is closing down by tourmalinetaco on Friday January 19, 2024 @12:32AM (#39051897)
To the latter: prostitution has always been prevalent. Now it’s simply through a glass screen and not a peephole.
Re:Flattr is closing down by robertlagrant on Friday January 19, 2024 @07:21AM (#39054598)
Yes, but that's not what people mean by an "entertainer" :)
Re:Flattr is closing down by bawolff on Friday January 19, 2024 @04:43PM (#39061618)
I feel like a lot of entertainment acts have elements of that. Crowd work is an important part of many routines.

Maybe that is not the same as pretending to be your friend but then again that mostly applies only to the more extreme end of streamers.