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Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by boeingUH60 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @04:57PM (#39034101)
Remove Russia from that list…the Ukraine war has shown that the Russian military are chest-beating clowns tainted by massive corruption and incompetence.

I kinda suspect China is the same, but we’re yet to see, and hopefully never see any invasion of Taiwan..

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by pharmakom on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:03PM (#39034161)
USA is a large closed economy. China is a large open economy. I’m simplifying, but the bottom line is China definitely doesn’t want a Cold War scenario.
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by omginternets on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:09PM (#39034238)
By what measure is China an open economy? That flies in the face of their long history of currency manipulation and explicit protectionist policy.
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by spacebanana7 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:59PM (#39034817)
I believe GP means “open” in the sense of having a high degree of trade with the rest of the world.

The US economy has more of a closed loop in that it consumes much of what it produces.

China on the other hand imports most essential commodities and pays for them with the proceeds of exports.

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by Tommstein on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @07:36PM (#39035807)
> USA is a large closed economy. China is a large open economy. I’m simplifying, . . . .

Yes, "simplifying" to the point of getting it completely backwards.

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by boeingUH60 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:07PM (#39034214)
I think so too, but we should also understand that authoritarians are not rational.

Before February 2022, I would have bet a big sum on Putin never authorizing a full-scale Ukraine invasion. There was just too much to lose and too little to gain theoretically…yet he did it anyways.

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by cpursley on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @06:24PM (#39035087)
There wasn’t a full scale invasion. So far, it’s been pretty limited in scope. Iraq was a full scale invasion for comparison. And Gaza most certainly is full scale - perhaps you could even label that one total war.
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by nerdix on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @06:52PM (#39035375)
It absolutely was a full scale invasion. It just failed.
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by cpursley on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @06:53PM (#39035380)
How has it failed? Aren’t the Russians nearly in control of all the territory they set out to take?
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by trust_bt_verify on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @07:13PM (#39035565)
No, they set out to take the Kiev in 3 days. They never got close. It was a spectacular failure based on the power imbalance between the two countries.
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by cpursley on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @07:21PM (#39035656)
Oh? And where did you hear that regarding taking Kiev in days?
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by trust_bt_verify on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @10:33PM (#39037409)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Kyiv_convoy

But I guess you are right on one point, Russia knew how weak their armed forces are and doubted themselves so heavily they never said it out loud. It was just the rest of the world that finally saw what a paper tiger Putin's forces are. This really doesn't help your argument that they are in the running to be a world power one day.

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by cpursley on Thursday January 18, 2024 @06:00AM (#39040346)
FYI the "3 day" thing actually came from General Milley: https://www.foxnews.com/us/gen-milley-says-kyiv-could-fall-w...

Also, from your linked Wikipedia:

"The convoy stalled 8 days into the war, at approximately 30 kilometers (19 mi) from the center of the city of Kyiv; as of 7 March 2022, according to U.S. defense officials, the column had not moved at all for a few days."

Isn't it interesting how those "stalled convoy" dates line up with these "peace" negotiations (and that Ukraine didn't burn them Road of Death style when they very easily could have)?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russ...

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by dralley on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @06:39PM (#39035227)
Just because it's not literally "total war", does not make it limited in scope.
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by cpursley on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @06:44PM (#39035281)
Well, it is limited in scope and they literally stated their territorial objectives when they set out. Full scale is mobilizing your entire economy towards the war effort and calling up millions. And it’s taking out the opposing sides military and civilian leadership and all of their critical infrastructure. That’s full scale. I really hope we don’t see full scale.
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by dralley on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @10:36PM (#39037436)
I believe they "started" with claiming that statements that the they were about to invade Ukraine were absurd lies, followed shortly later with claims they would control the entire country in three days along with some maps that included Moldova, followed shortly thereafter with lots of nuclear saber rattling when things started going south.

There have also been dozens of assassination attempts against Ukraine's civilian and military leadership, and against Russia's as well, some of which have been successful. The fact that most attempts don't work out doesn't mean it's not happening.

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by cpursley on Thursday January 18, 2024 @06:01AM (#39040355)
> entire country in three days

> dozens of assassination attempts

> lots of nuclear saber rattling

Sources, please.

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by breckenedge on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:57PM (#39034802)
Putin was lied to about the capabilities of his forces. Now we’re seeing the same thing with Xi, except heads are rolling _before_ the invasion gets underway.
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by mensetmanusman on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:49PM (#39034702)
China is purging everyone in the military that doesn't want war at the moment...
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by SV_BubbleTime on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:01PM (#39034143)
To be fair… Russia is fighting a proxy war with the US via Ukraine. Without US intelligence, Ukraine may be on a very bad spot.
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by dkjaudyeqooe on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:33PM (#39034533)
Russia is fighting a proxy war with its foot.

Ukraine would of course be toast without arms and intelligence from the West, but neither have any interest in starting or perpetuating the war. Russia's folly is convenient for the West though.

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by Sabinus on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:17PM (#39036203)
>neither have any interest in starting or perpetuating the war

I don't think this is strictly true. Cutting Russia of from unimpeded Black Sea access and draining their resources in a (for America, cheap) proxy war are both in Western interests.

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by bilbo0s on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:18PM (#39034360)
This is what it is to be in a multipolar world though.

I agree with your implication. The military forces of Russia are not paper tigers. Don't believe the hype. But at the same time, you don't want to fight proxy wars? Ok. Great. Then don't screw with other nations. If they hadn't messed with Ukraine, they wouldn't be fighting a proxy war.

The system works, again, because each of the major powers are comfortably confident in their ability to destroy the other 3. There is therefore, nothing to stop us from fighting a proxy war with Russia, because Russia will never use hard power to do anything about it. Unless Russia is suicidal, and they aren't, they will not escalate to a direct conflict with us.

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by madwebness on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:39PM (#39034592)
No one is suicidal, but escalation don't always work according to logic. It's people making decisions, and people are emotional. Another thing to consider is, if you're the one up top, perhaps pressing the red button and living in a nice warm bunker with staff serving you is much better than being ousted, voted out or accused of corruption and facing the probability of going to jail (depending on the country). So I wouldn't be so sure we're immune to the global war just yet.
Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by Tommstein on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @07:54PM (#39035987)
> The military forces of Russia are not paper tigers.

If there's anything that their gloriously failed sneak attack on Ukraine has shown us, it's that yes, yes they are. Imagine if the most advanced weaponry they were facing wasn't small amounts of slow-coming ancient hand-me-downs employed by people who have barely even trained to use them . . . .

Re:OpenAI is working with the US military now by madwebness on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:10PM (#39034248)
While any war, as Hemingway wrote "no matter how necessary or justified - is still a crime", without US, even the events in 2008 and 2013 would not take place simply because they would not had been necessary due to Ukraine staying in the Russia's sphere of influence. This is an unwinnable war for Ukraine. It is bad for Russia and certainly puts a dark spot on its history, but if there is at least one large and powerful country without dark spots in its history, please tell me which one it is. Human history is catalogue of crime.