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Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by gmerc on Friday January 12, 2024 @12:28PM (#38971030)
What’s there to consider even - political connections?
Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by iamtheworstdev on Friday January 12, 2024 @12:36PM (#38971189)
The problem is that the FAA doesn't have the expertise. The people with the expertise all work for aircraft manufacturers. And odds are the FAA will never pay anyone enough to leave the manufacturers to do the job.
Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by wolverine876 on Friday January 12, 2024 @12:54PM (#38971441)
> The problem is that the FAA doesn't have the expertise.

Do you know a basis for that? My understanding, though limited, is that they have incredible expertise - and we can see their outstanding results. Also, IME, this claim is used by many industries to assert that they shouldn't be subject to regulation, and (IME) it's always false.

Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by randomdata on Friday January 12, 2024 @02:17PM (#38972573)
> Also, IME, this claim [...] it's always false.

Of course it is false. Even if the regulation ultimately can't be enforced due to lack of the right people, the players can still be subject to the regulation. The two are not logically associated.

Nobody is making that claim, though. What is the significance of this fun anecdote you pulled randomly from a hat?

Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by ajcp on Friday January 12, 2024 @12:54PM (#38971434)
There are other ways to solution for the same outcome, or get closer to it.

Pass regulation that requires audit and certification by a rated and licensed authority that isn't necessarily the government itself. As a publicly traded company Boeing already has to do this with its books; why not with its product too?

I'm sure that E&Y, Deloitte, KPMG, or PwC would love a crack at a new market and they've certainly got the money to hire away from manufacturers.

Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by hindsightbias on Friday January 12, 2024 @03:20PM (#38973424)
Well, there are over 400K parts in a 737 and they're building more than one a day. How many of those need more inspection? How many inspectors do you want to apply to this problem? How much growth of the FAA? How many/long to do a ground up review of every Boeing inspection process? How much more do you want to pay for every flight? What will be the impact on Boeing pricing vs Airbus worldwide?

HN is pretty strange these days. One day gov't is the problem, the next it is the only solution. We need "streamlining" of regulation for more nukes, but more regulation of Boeing because a door blew off over 100's of millions of flights. We need to get rid of the FAA and ATC and automate everything with software controls to prevent runway incursions. But we need to ban autonomous cars.

Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by thatguy0900 on Friday January 12, 2024 @12:32PM (#38971120)
Does the faa have enough qualified staff and budget to review boeings planes? Does anyone other than Boeing have them, since noone else does it? Legitimate question. Would you poach a bunch of engineers from the airlines/military?
Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by burnerthrow008 on Friday January 12, 2024 @12:53PM (#38971426)
As a practical matter, the FAA might designate someone outside of Boeing to do the inspections (like maybe people from Lockheed or Grumman, who are not directly competing in the commercial airliner space).

When you take a checkride at the end of training to earn your pilot certificate, it's not an FAA employee riding with you... it's a "DPE" or Designated Pilot Examiner, who is a private individual designated by the FAA to conduct check rides (and who often charges you a fee to administer the test).

Occasionally an FAA employee will ride along with the student pilot and DPE to evaluate how the DPE is evaluating prospective pilots.

Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by bombcar on Friday January 12, 2024 @12:46PM (#38971325)
You build it up over time by hiring direct from colleges (or even trade schools).

It has to be a complete plan, not just a slap-dash "we can hire some people and the problem is solved".

To do it best you do NOT hire from the industry, and if necessary you hire from unrelated industries (perhaps, for example, oil rig/pipeline inspectors).

Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by jgeada on Friday January 12, 2024 @01:04PM (#38971560)
Isn't this the whole point of the "defund the government" approach?

Deliberately sabotage the regulatory authorities, then use the fact that they no longer have the expertise and staff as a justification to outsource the regulation function over to the companies that were supposed to be inspected.

And when it goes wrong, which it always does, make shocked pikachu face and claim that nothing can be done because we no longer have the capacity to regulate industry.

This would be less infuriating if this was the first time, but it keeps happening again and again and people keep falling for it. It is immensely profitable for the few though, that might be why it keeps happening.

The fix is easy, just requires time and budget: rebuild that expertise and refuse to certify anything until you have the necessary capabilities.

Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by nottorp on Friday January 12, 2024 @01:20PM (#38971798)
If you read the analysis published after the MCAS disaster, self certification is something recent so the FAA at least used to have people.
Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by tuetuopay on Friday January 12, 2024 @01:12PM (#38971685)
hire airbus to inspect boeing, and hire boeing to inspect airbus?
Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by nottorp on Friday January 12, 2024 @01:24PM (#38971854)
That would be fun... or end with both manufacturers being completely grounded by the other and we back to canoes and horse carriages :)
Re:US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-i... by tappdarden on Friday January 12, 2024 @01:58PM (#38972319)
I would love for trains to get more attention in the US. ...