There was a recent blowout of a door, and now several problems were found in subsequent MAX planes. This is part of a larger saga with faults found in MAX planes that have caused some crashes, and the longstanding quality issues with Boeing.

Some previous discussions:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38917820

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38893909

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38889774

Yes, but those parts in question exist only on the MAX 9, which is no longer flying. Right now the answer to: "Is my plane a 737 MAX 9?" is "no, it isn't"

When a plane crashes, twice, totaling 300+ dead, people are right to get skeptical.

When the investigation into those crashes reveals a shitload of corner cutting on safety regs, people are right to get skeptical.

When another version of the same plane made by the same company has an in flight blowout and the fleet is grounded AGAIN (yes i know just the 9s but remind me how many other companies have had entire lines of their plane grounded in the last 20 years), then yes I think it's reasonable to want to avoid any of their newer plane models as clearly the level of safety and quality appears to be declining.

Flying is still safer than just about any other form of travel, but that's basically because we mandated a shit ton of regulations and safety to make sure that even penny pinching corner cutting corps wouldn't have people dying in droves. Boeing has clearly decided to push that envelope and they deserve all the bad press they get for it and I fully understand people who already have a quasi irrational fear of flying freaking the hell out over this.

I would certainly not buy a car from a company that's clearly disregarded safety so badly, and would prefer avoiding being in one for any other reason (friends/rideshare/whatever).

> I would certainly not buy a car from a company that's clearly disregarded safety so badly, and would prefer avoiding being in one for any other reason (friends/rideshare/whatever).

That's a lot of cars. The standard in the auto industry is to design specifically for regulatory tests, and/or popular industry tests, in a specific region. All major automakers sell cars that intentionally lack safety features in regions that don't explicitly require them, if it will give their vehicle a price advantage in that market.

e.g. you can still buy vehicles without airbags made by major auto manufacturers.

Which seems totally irrelevant given that we're talking specifically about Boeing failing to meet US regulations (and a bunch of international ones as well).

Selling a car without an airbag in a country that's decided you don't need airbags is the choice of the country. If you wanted this to be similar it'd be selling a car in a country that wants you to have airbags, but yours don't work. Which would be a company I'd avoid.

You specifically mentioned automakers disregarding safety, which was why I entertained the topic.

We don't know why these doors are falling off yet. Any accusation that it was due to a disregard for safety isn't supported by any facts, yet. It is conjecture.

Reasonable place to start: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings

Because they fall out the sky and occasionally their windows fly off.

Well it's better a window than the front falling off.

Lol, I still don't know if that interview is a comedy sketch or real.

On the off chance that this is genuine, it’s a sketch. A very famous comedy duo. Unfortunately one passed away a while ago.

It's a satirical interview about a real event: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirki_(tanker)

They (the comedians) posted similar comedic takes on politics for many years; eg this one about Australia's energy market https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ELaBzj7cn14

If a wave hits your plane the front falling off is the least of your concerns.

That's not very typical!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM

Its appalling safety record [0] thus far makes it one of the least safe airplanes in modern history.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX#Accidents_and_i...

That is really bad misinformation statistically speaking. The "Max" aircraft (all variants) have literally many millions of miles of safe flight. If anything, it is the most scrutinized commercial aircraft in all of history.

I'll take the 777, thanks.

https://simpleflying.com/safest-airliners-all-time/

Are you equating and summing miles flown from different variants?! Rules and regulations apply separately for each variant.

I'm not going to comment on how it compares to other planes but it's certainly significantly less safe than the previous generations of 737:

> a fatal accident rate of four accidents per million flights, whereas the previous Boeing 737 generations averaged 0.2 fatal accidents per million flights

But even with this scrutiny glaring issues like the current ones have been missed.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeings-o...

(The most recent problem is missing yet)

They've been having major manufacturing and software quality issues. Have almost killed people several times at this point.

In fact, theyve already killed a few hundred people.

You're right. I couldn't remember so I didn't want to say it without being sure.

Not almost. Actually. 189 people first, then 157 only five months later.

Almost?

The 737 Max is the DC-10 of the 21st century

Yes. Both remember as the models one should avoid if one can.

IIRC the DC-10 went on to have a stellar safety record.