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Re:True Name – Mastercard by teeray on Sunday January 07, 2024 @11:50AM (#38902748)
> Is this a serious issue?

A bigoted store clerk might decide to apply different standards to trans people, to find a way to kick them out of the store. So yeah, my experience is similar to yours, but I don’t doubt that credit card names could be weaponized against trans people.

Re:True Name – Mastercard by sokoloff on Sunday January 07, 2024 @11:55AM (#38902794)
True, but does having another name on the credit card actually address this genuine problem?

(I think people should be able to use their chosen name on their credit card; I think that adds comfort to their regular interactions and daily life; I just don’t think it will act as an Uno Reverse card against someone prone to bigotry against them.)

Re:True Name – Mastercard by snotrockets on Sunday January 07, 2024 @11:59AM (#38902837)
Yes. Some of us like to imagine trans* people as those drag like personas, a clownish caricatures of their genders. This isn't the case though: most are just, you know, people. You wouldn't know they are trans*, except for their name. And unlike that Johnny Cash song, being a boy named Sue doesn't build character. It just makes your life miserable.
Re:True Name – Mastercard by nilespotter on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:06PM (#38902915)
> You wouldn't know they are trans*, except for their name.

Here’s another delusion I won’t participate in. We all, each and every one of us, make a crossdresser within 0 seconds of meeting him. There’s like 12 of them that pass.

Re:True Name – Mastercard by snotrockets on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:14PM (#38902996)
trans* people aren't crossdressers, and no, you wouldn't.

Pick a random thirst-trap influencer: on almost every post on their TikTok or Insta you'd see multiple comments suggesting they are trans.

Simply, there isn't a way to tell because as there is no biological marker that is a binary, as much as some would like to believe otherwise. Sex is a bimodal distribution, and as such there are people, cis and trans, that don't look like the gender you'd imagine them to be.

Re:True Name – Mastercard by camdenlock on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:27PM (#38903107)
Sex is not bimodal, it’s binary. We as a society have to be able to just get past this. I, for example, am a male (sex) - but I identify as a woman (gender identity). These two things can be true at the same time, and do not conflict.
Re:True Name – Mastercard by snotrockets on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:31PM (#38903136)
Biological sex markers are bimodal. Just ask the nearest health researcher: there isn't a single one that is strictly male or female.
Re:True Name – Mastercard by camdenlock on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:46PM (#38903286)
That’s fine, but sex itself is still a binary concept and is very well defined, and is not controversial. For example, my sex is “0” (and not “1”) because my body is capable of producing “0”-style gametes, not “1”-style gametes (feel free to substitute the usual names for each sex, but you get the point).
Re:True Name – Mastercard by snotrockets on Sunday January 07, 2024 @01:10PM (#38903523)
One of your sexes, perhaps: there isn't a single marker for sex (and some of those we like to think of such markers aren't binary, but we can drop those for this exercise)
Re:True Name – Mastercard by camdenlock on Sunday January 07, 2024 @02:39PM (#38904422)
“Markers” are irrelevant. Either your body is capable of producing male gametes or it’s capable of producing female ones.
Re:True Name – Mastercard by ceejayoz on Sunday January 07, 2024 @05:53PM (#38906071)
That's just trivial to debunk. Infertile people may produce neither.

Less trivial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46,XX/46,XY

https://academic.oup.com/bjs/article-abstract/69/5/279/61857... "Ovulation in a cytogenetically proved phenotypically male fertile hermaphrodite"

Ovotesticular syndrome: https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ovotesticular-disorde...

Re:True Name – Mastercard by camdenlock on Sunday January 07, 2024 @08:31PM (#38907213)
There are still only two types of gametes, and a body may produce only one. Infertility and other disorders don’t change that fact, and your linked material says nothing to contradict this.
Re:True Name – Mastercard by ceejayoz on Sunday January 07, 2024 @08:48PM (#38907334)
You could at least bother to read the titles; "Ovulation in a cytogenetically proved phenotypically male fertile hermaphrodite" is pretty clear.

> Histology of his removed ovary suggested that ovulation had, at some time, occurred. He had also fathered a child and this is believed to be the first case of a cytogenetically proved true hermaphrodite who is fertile as a male.

That's a single human body that produced both forms of gamete.

Re:True Name – Mastercard by camdenlock on Sunday January 07, 2024 @09:00PM (#38907419)
People of ambiguous sex exist, and there are only two sexes. I suspect you’re more than capable of accepting these two truths simultaneously.
Re:True Name – Mastercard by ceejayoz on Sunday January 07, 2024 @09:48PM (#38907678)
> For example, my sex is “0” (and not “1”)...

So, which is this individual, who produces both forms of gametes?

Am I, with no gametes, a null?

Re:True Name – Mastercard by camdenlock on Sunday January 07, 2024 @10:08PM (#38907803)
I’m confident that you’ll figure it out on your own.
Re:True Name – Mastercard by cuino on Sunday January 07, 2024 @10:54PM (#38908059)
Identifying as a woman (gender identity) does not mean you are a woman (female sex). Being male precludes this in reality.
Re:True Name – Mastercard by sokoloff on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:09PM (#38902953)
Imagine there’s a chance that you might be wrong.

How would you possibly know the false negatives (the you “missed”)?

Re:True Name – Mastercard by nilespotter on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:24PM (#38903079)
Good point, I guess they could also be Men In Black aliens too and I wouldn’t know that either.
Re:True Name – Mastercard by gruez on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:58PM (#38903396)
That doesn't answer the question. How are you so sure that you're not missing out on any? It's not like at the end of the year you get a report of all the trans people that you missed.
Re:True Name – Mastercard by MissTake on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:14PM (#38902999)
Bullcrap you can.

Once my hormones kicked in I was able to blend in so well that some of my friends didn’t believe me when I said I was trans.

And I got that confirmed from a third party who is honest beyond a fault.

And there’s a world of difference between crisscrossing and being transgendered.

Re:True Name – Mastercard by dang on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:31PM (#38904859)
This comment and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38903037 go beyond just posting about a controversial topic and cross into attack, name-calling, and slur. We ban accounts that post such things, so please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:True Name – Mastercard by nilespotter on Monday January 08, 2024 @08:21PM (#38921008)
I disagree. I objected to the implied demand that we all collude to pretend that these people trick us into thinking they are the opposite sex. I didn't slur or attack anyone. If you want to cultivate yet another place people can't speak simple truths online, delete my account.