While it is good that such drug exists, it could be a wrong path to fight disease. Instead of fixing the root cause: unhealthy food habits, it reduce symptoms. People will continue follow unhealthy lifestyle knowing they can get a pill later.

You can compare obesity with depression: both are psychological issues in most cases. It is easy to fight obesity - the person simply need to cut on calories, to get a healthy diet. However, it is really hard to do that on practice.

I generally agree that treating the symptoms will lead to people continuing get the majority of their calories from "junk food".

> unhealthy food habits

Fixing this will require systemic change, like 1) moving away from ultra-processed foods derived from cheap crops, 2) a ban on eye catching advertising for obviously unhealthy food, and 3) making well balanced and healthy food as cheap and assessable as unhealthy food.

Right now the debate is framed as an individual choice problem, but in my view it's a systemic public health problem like cigarettes. There needs to be regulation, from TV ads for Burger King to eye catching breakfast cereal boxes. If you manipulate human psychology with advertising and then hijack their biological mechanisms for sensing when they're full they don't really have a choice.

Healthy food is not expensive. Veggies, porridge, chicken - are affordable for everyone.

The issue is that ultra processed foods are engineered to be as addictive as possible. Fast sugars and starches with spices give fast response and provoke binge eating.

Chips are created and marketed so person will select them instead of bunch of carrots as snack. There are no sexy commercials starring raw veggies, unfortunately.

I post here every now and then about how effective a vegetable juice diet for 90 days is. Most people respond with hate and general info about how unhealthy it is supposedly.

At this point I have helped 4 adults (3 being 60+ yrs old) and myself try the diet. Even my own father.

Most can't do all 90 days for whatever reason. Every single person that has tried it for 30 days has lost about 25 lbs. The ones that tried it for 60 days lost 35-40 lbs.

Two of the seniors had blood tests done before and after the juice diet, both showed improved markers on EVERY single thing tracked, including blood sugar and A1C levels, even though they basically lived off the sugar in vegetables for 60 days.

Every single person agrees that vegetable juice plus meat would be the ideal diet for them long term after trying it.

Even with all that said, new people that year it says it doesn't sound healthy. If you told them your diet is 2-3 lbs of salad plus meat a day, they'd say ya that sounds healthy. If you tell them, hey, have 10 lbs of salad a day for 90 days, they'd say that sounds healthy but sounds too hard to eat that much. If you tell them, sure, why don't you juice it instead and make a gallon of juice, they'll say that doesn't sound healthy.

I think weight loss is very simple. It's just not easy. And it's not easy to decide to try. I begged my dad for 3 years to try 90 days of juice, after I tried. Finally he tries it, and is now a believer. My mom though, seeing his great blood test results, and seeing him lose 35 lbs and feel great, still isn't convinced she could give up pastries and bread and just live off salad (juice) for 90 days.

Heck, people will try hormone altering drugs before they try celary, carrot, beet, cucumber juice.

I'm a huge proponent for a produce-heavy diet, and I'm happy to hear your anecdotal experiences have been positive for yourself and others. However, I will say your statement, "If you tell them, hey, have 10 lbs of salad a day for 90 days, they'd say that sounds healthy but sounds too hard to eat that much." is untrue. I don't think anyone with a solid education in nutrition would say 10lbs of salad/day is healthy.

Can I ask what inspired you to go down the route of vegetable juice, vs other dietary changes? Rapid weight loss to the tune of 20lb+/month is rarely a good sign, except in the morbidly obese. Gradual, sustainable lifestyle changes tend to show good, healthy results in the short and long term.

Because I have had decades to eat a balanced diet and lose weight slowly. That is harder to sustain for a year for me, than having 1500 calories of vegetables juice for 90 days.

Once done, you've broken a lot of habits. If you can stay away from processed snacks and huge carb heavy meals, you keep the weight off.

Losing 35 lbs in 60 days is life changing for most people I think. After that it's easier to maintain a healthy diet imo. Keeping a healthy diet while watching yourself lose 4 lbs a month for a year is a lot harder for people... As we can see from everyone constantly expanding.

> Most people respond with hate and general info about how unhealthy it is supposedly.

But that is true, it is unhealthy.

To get better people need a healthy food lifestyle. To cut calories, cut extra sugars, eat more complex and less processed foods.

The good proposal is to not jump on whatever-style 90-days diet, but to embrace healthy balanced diet for all year round. For example, DASH diet.

Ps: why to drink juice if you can eat veggies unfiltered, in one piece with all their nutrients?

Because I can not get myself to eat 1500 calories of vegetables a day.

> improved markers on EVERY single thing tracked

Sounds like such a diet could have adverse affects on TSH, T3/T4 and Test. Were those tracked? If so, what was the effect?

I guess I didn't hear about that or ask. For them not to mention it I assume that being 30+ lbs overweight and heating junk food is detrimental to that to too, so it is either improved or stays the same from eating 10lbs of vegetable juice a day.

For every complex problem, there is a simple, easy and wrong answer.

Crash diets like this don't work. Sure you may lose pounds the week or two that you try it. But what happens in 6 months? A year? Highly unlikely to keep those pounds off.

Well, these people lost weight for 60 days that they did it. And if they then transition to eating vegetables and meat, they keep the weight off. Pretty obvious really.