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Re:In Indonesia, humanity's oldest art is flaking away. Can ... by AStrangeMorrow on Thursday December 14, 2023 @03:32PM (#38646859)
Reminds me of the Chauvet Cave in France, which also holds cave-painting, where the large number of visitors changed the atmosphere of the cave, causing mold and damaging the paintings.

To preserve it a replica cave ended up being built for tourism, with the original being closed off except for scientific excursions

Re:In Indonesia, humanity's oldest art is flaking away. Can ... by PaulHoule on Thursday December 14, 2023 @04:14PM (#38647341)
Re:In Indonesia, humanity's oldest art is flaking away. Can ... by m_t on Thursday December 14, 2023 @04:18PM (#38647378)
You're thinking of Lascaux I believe.
Re:In Indonesia, humanity's oldest art is flaking away. Can ... by masklinn on Thursday December 14, 2023 @04:44PM (#38647711)
Kinda, the damage never happened to Chauvet because the preservators learned from Lascaux and Altamira: they did not open Chauvet to the public at all.

They did eventually open a huge replica cave which you can visit, the Caverne du Pont-d'Arc aka Chauvet 2.

Re:In Indonesia, humanity's oldest art is flaking away. Can ... by poulpy123 on Friday December 15, 2023 @06:22AM (#38653057)
and it's very nice to visit! Not too far also (from an US point of view :D ) is the cave Chauvet. The original is 37m underwater, but a replica opened few month ago in nearby marseille
Re:In Indonesia, humanity's oldest art is flaking away. Can ... by iLoveOncall on Thursday December 14, 2023 @06:50PM (#38649138)
I have a controversial opinion on that, but I seriously don't see the point of locking areas out of the public just to preserve them.

Learning more about cavemen from paintings that have been studied for decades is not going to enable scientific discoveries that will advance humanity, it will not change anything to the present or the future of humanity. It literally serves no purpose other than to tell stories of a past so distant it does not hold lessons that are important for the future.

So what is left beside just the enjoyment of the public? What is the point of preserving those paintings by forbidding anyone from ever seeing them?

We have thousands of pictures of those paintings, gatekeeping their access to a handful of scientists is no different than letting them disappear entirely.

Re:In Indonesia, humanity's oldest art is flaking away. Can ... by thfuran on Thursday December 14, 2023 @08:36PM (#38650034)
Photos only show what camera/film of the time could capture (in some lighting condition), not everything that every possible test could. Just how certain are you that there will never be a technique or technology discovered that would reveal information prior studies didn't?
Re:In Indonesia, humanity's oldest art is flaking away. Can ... by iLoveOncall on Friday December 15, 2023 @03:34AM (#38652226)
I am not and you're probably right, but as I said what can we expect to learn from those paintings that will further human civilization?

At some point the past has nothing to teach anymore.

Re:In Indonesia, humanity's oldest art is flaking away. Can ... by krisoft on Friday December 15, 2023 @06:22AM (#38653060)
> what can we expect to learn from those paintings that will further human civilization.

Perhaps not the painting. Perhaps we develop a technique which can learn from the dust on the ground, or the sediments accumulated in the cave.

It is a very small cost to keep the cave closed. And in the history of humankind we have multiple times destroyed stuff later generations could have learned from.

Just look up for example the history of the Herculaneum papyri[1] and all the attempts to unroll them with destructive methods. Many of those were destroyed forever without being read or only partially read. And it very much seems like we are on the precipice of having the tech to read them non-destructively.[2]

And if all you want is to ogle at the paintings then you can do that in the replica cave?

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herculaneum_papyri 2: https://scrollprize.org/

Re:In Indonesia, humanity's oldest art is flaking away. Can ... by melkor73 on Friday December 15, 2023 @09:05AM (#38654263)
Have you ever read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond? Understanding and learning from that past is literally crucial to the continued existence of the human race. More crucial than any technology anyone here has ever created.

The book directly pulls on the kind of data on early societies that the scientists studying these caves produce.