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Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by xyzzy_plugh on Monday December 11, 2023 @08:48PM (#38608234)
Do we know for a fact Apple made fewer deals like these? I don't think we do.

Apple makes a lot of deals. A lot. I'd expect them to be about even.

Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by madeofpalk on Monday December 11, 2023 @09:10PM (#38608410)
Details on some of these came through in the Epic v Apple case, but they were very light https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/5/22421734/apple-epic-netfli...

Google just has more types of companies in the ecosystem to make deals with. Apple’s iOS OEM deals can’t be found anticompetitive because they don’t have those deals to begin with.

Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by adamwk on Monday December 11, 2023 @10:40PM (#38609115)
It’s interesting that none of the desperate arrangements were lower fees; the closest being ability to upsell preexisting subscribers (off apples platform)
Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by dwaite on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @12:30AM (#38609880)
Apple was pretty careful not to make deals. For instance Microsoft and Epic both publicly complained about not getting deals.

Supposedly, the 15%-after-first-year rule for subscriptions that they instituted was because they were trying to entice Netflix to continue to take in-app payment for subscriptions. Rather than a sweetheart deal, they rolled it out as a platform change.

There are areas which I think are more questionable, such as their Apple TV partnerships with Amazon and a few others.

Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by MBCook on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @04:30PM (#38618858)
Netflix reportedly had special terms for years before that policy change for everyone else. I don’t think they were the only ones.

I think Apple just did that because it was becoming clear that what they were saying wasn’t true/they were getting political pressure about charging 30% no matter what.

I don’t remember the exact timing on the change so my guess as to the cause may be wrong.

Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by jonbell on Monday December 11, 2023 @08:57PM (#38608308)
There was a whole trial about this. If Apple had these deals, it would have come out. Google and Apple ran things differently.
Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by hackernewds on Monday December 11, 2023 @09:17PM (#38608465)
or perhaps Apple just had a stronger policy to not create documentation around these
Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by MBCook on Monday December 11, 2023 @09:53PM (#38608744)
I mean a lot of it just doesn’t apply. Google was caught paying off Samsung to encourage them not to put alternate app stores on their devices. Squashing competition where it should exist.

Apple makes the devices, so they aren’t making others squash competition. They’re exactly what they say.

Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by lern_too_spel on Monday December 11, 2023 @10:45PM (#38609159)
Apple made deals to set the default search engine and the default maps app, and rejected other app stores. As bad as Google is, Apple is even worse, setting worse terms for deals and rejecting other deals outright to favor their own products.
Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by theshackleford on Monday December 11, 2023 @11:41PM (#38609599)
Your second sentence is not even remotely supported by the first.
Re:Epic vs. Google: Google Loses by dagmx on Monday December 11, 2023 @08:52PM (#38608269)
We know that Epic asked and were refused prior to the lawsuit.

Beyond that there’s no evidence one way or another that there are any sweetheart deals. None of the public documents from the trials showed that.

Anything beyond that is speculation.