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Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by baz00 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @07:25AM (#38591068)
Can we have 1998 HP back please, you know the engineering company, not the crap shifter.
Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by m-ee on Sunday December 10, 2023 @07:52AM (#38591194)
Old HP was something special, people here might not be aware that they were a leading test equipment company back then not just a PC maker. That business was spun off as Agilent then spun off again as Keysight.

At a previous job we purchased a 3458a multimeter for some precision measurements. Its use cases are more limited now than in 1989 when it was introduced, but for high precision it's still the standard and the design is practically unchanged. They published a very in depth article on its ADC design at the time.

https://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/IssuePDFs/1989-04.pdf

Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by varjag on Sunday December 10, 2023 @08:05AM (#38591282)
Yep, there's a whole YouTube genre of fussing with pre-Fionacide HP test equipment. We have a couple pieces in the lab. The internals are a sight to behold, built with their period's best technology and no costs to spare.
Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by m-ee on Sunday December 10, 2023 @08:11AM (#38591313)
Working with it had me oddly sentimental. Most of my measurements are 12V or less and not especially precise, so I'll reach for my Saleae before even using a modern scope or DMM much less a beast like the 3458a. But it was simultaneously a swansong for a bygone era of engineering while still proving the old tech can hold its own more than 30 years later. It felt a bit like having a Concorde sitting on my lab bench. Like you said if you open it up you can immediately tell a lot of thought and care went into making these things.
Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by consp on Sunday December 10, 2023 @08:10AM (#38591308)
> Old HP was something special, people here might not be aware that they were a leading test equipment company back then not just a PC maker. That business was spun off as Agilent then spun off again as Keysight.

This sure sounds like a MBA beancounter desease gone cancerous.

Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by brutopia on Sunday December 10, 2023 @07:58AM (#38591238)
Wow, nobody’s certainly doing that anymore
Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by FirmwareBurner on Sunday December 10, 2023 @08:03AM (#38591270)
Because 1989 China didn't have the knowhow and industrial capability to bootleg your cutting edge HW designs and then undercut you, so there was no risk in publishing your know-how out in the open.

It's no coincidence the rise of Huawei coincided with the fall of Nortel.

I saw recently a tech youtuber from my home country review a bootleg iPhone 15 Pro Max, and it was very difficult to tell them apart HW wise unless you knew what to look for. Same with bootleg AirPods Pros, they even automatically connect to your iPhone when you flip open their case, and only with a recent iOS update does the iPhone warn you they are not genuine AirPods Pros.

Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by vbezhenar on Sunday December 10, 2023 @08:35AM (#38591424)
https://youtu.be/_yU4dSE1HTQ

This video is Russian, but you can discard voice. It's pirate copy of iPhone 14. I couldn't tell the difference, at least from that video. That's really lot of effort gone to copy. Those who did that really deserve a respect.

Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by FirmwareBurner on Sunday December 10, 2023 @08:42AM (#38591467)
>Those who did that really deserve a respect.

Yes, same how a lot of fancy non-state-sponsored malware is developed by russian/chinese/iranian hackers. Obviously those skills could be put to much better use for good causes than bootlegging iPhones or writing malware, but that's what happens when you're born in a country with no good honest economic opportunities: crime is much more lucrative as no matter how smart and hard working you are, the local legal jobs and business opportunities are still shit.

Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by user_7832 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @09:02AM (#38591564)
> I couldn't tell the difference, at least from that video.

Here's an easy giveaway - the bottom bezel isn't symmetrical in width.

Getting uniform bezels requires flexible OLED screens (and a few other oled adjectives I've forgotten), and all this is much harder to engineer and a fair bit more expensive. So far other than Apple, only Samsung and Google Pixels appear to be capable of having uniform bezels.

Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by FirmwareBurner on Sunday December 10, 2023 @09:09AM (#38591591)
>Here's an easy giveaway - the bottom bezel isn't symmetrical in width.

Sure, but they're not designed to fool those who already owned a recent iPhone, but to fool those that never owned a recent iPhone and are just buying their first iPhone now which so are easily fooled if they only get to play with it for a couple of minutes in a parking lot somewhere, before handing over the cash.

It's how this scam works in developing countries. You buy bootleg iPhones from Alibaba for $150 and sell them for $800 in a parking lot to a clueless dude looking to buy his first iPhone who can't afford the $1400 sticker price because that's way more than his monthly wage.

Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by user_7832 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @03:38PM (#38594812)
That's understandable and very likely true, HN has nearly a 100% rate of tech geeks/nerds compared to the real world. However at least in some places in India it's often implicitly understood that such a phone sold below market cost is some kind of fake or refurb or b/c stock etc.
Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @11:10AM (#38614097)
I pulled those sales prices out of my ass as I don't follow second hand iPhone market prices but the real world scammers do and they make sure to advertise the correct market prices in line with genuine second hand iPhones, to not look suspicious as being too good to be true.
Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by gosub100 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @08:21PM (#38596670)
Good, that's a free, efficient market. If airpods cost $22 to make, they shouldn't sell them for $200. If you do, don't be surprised when someone sells them for $60. The whole reason they manufacture in China in the first place is to avoid paying livable wages in a free society that has environmental protection laws. Screw them.
Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by baz00 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @08:06AM (#38591284)
They are. HP’s measurement division was spun off into Agilent. Then off to Keysight.

They are absolute bastards now and a shadow of their former self. But they still sell the 3458A

Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by baz00 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @08:04AM (#38591277)
Keysight still sell those.

But yes that. I have a fair bit of HP test gear lying around dating from 60s to 90s.

And a few RPN calculators!

Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by m-ee on Sunday December 10, 2023 @08:06AM (#38591286)
Yup, ours was a factory fresh Keysight branded model
Re:HP printer app is installing on PCs whether they have HP ... by ChrisMarshallNY on Sunday December 10, 2023 @09:25AM (#38591694)
I cut my programming teeth, designing ATE (Automated Test and Evaluation) systems, composed, chiefly, of HP (or Tektronix) devices.

HP kit was eye-wateringly expensive (and worth it), back then.