For the important things there are tactile buttons, the rest works really well in practice.
To the point where I now feel a bit attacked by sea of buttons when I get into a modern non-Tesla.
Going to need to read make/model/trim example before I believe that.
E.g., Mazda3 has very elegant non-cluttered knob UX. Also, the knobs available on last few years of Prius Prime LE are super obvious and bog standard for controlling heat/cool/etc. (E.g., red for heat and blue for cool IIRC.)
Even the newest Civics I've seen with the big slow touchscreens have just three obvious knobs that do obvious things, above which there is a solitary button that appears to be the bog standard triangular hazard lights button.
Similar story with the Lexus NX. Added bonus of things not actually working.
The flip side is most functions are on 2 levels deep in the UI. Makes it very easy to navigate.
There are dedicated tactile buttons for:
- wipers
- turning signals
- high-low beams
- cruise control (with distance modifications and speed change)
- media, volume, play/pause, prev/next
- drive selection
- power window controls for all windows
- hazard lights
- dome/reading lights
On touchscreen:
- cabin temperature is always visible and in the same place on screen
- navigation input is always visible and same place
- you can have shortcuts for functions you would need immediately
Touchscreen is as responsive/fast as current gen iPad and probably more intuitive (tho this is subjective).
* wipers were not at all obvious to me. I don’t remember speed control and wash being physical.
* many of the actions are on the same physical button and context specific. While it would be fine after I get use to the car, very overwhelming
Wiper automation/rain sensing on Tesla is in general rather poor, I wish they would give up on their camera ideology for reliable sensors or at least made the sw good.
- adaptive cruise control is single down pull on right stalk. With lane keeping activated by a double pull. Speed adjusted with scrolling right thumb wheel and distance right thumb wheel left/right.
"We want future electric Morgans to be the most analog EVs", Hole (Morgan's CTO) says.
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You must know that, and that Germany today is among the most strident opponents of anti-Semitism because of its history, and that this permeates society, especially in board rooms, populated by people who were made to reckon with the horrors committed by the Nazis as part of their basic education. Among European countries has been very accepting of refugees from war-torn regions, even non-white refugees.
Furthermore, unlike the US, Germany has been able to keep xenophobes out of control of government (while dealing with very similar domestic xenophobic movements that the US faces).
If you have credible evidence of VW's current leadership being anti-Semitic or xenophobic, share it. Otherwise your comment is gas-lighting and deception.
If we want to play the purity spiral game, we could say anyone who funds gasoline-first car companies is funding critical damage to the environment. (I assume the next step is a StrongTowns (tm) supporter telling us how cars are unnecessary, we need density, then a doomer complaining about how having children is unnecessary carbon emissions, etc...)
I am being facetious here though, I liked the Hyundai EV when I rented it, and disliked the Model X. I wound up getting a used Model 3 as my city driver, and enjoy it very much.
I don't want to support someone who is a questionable human from a morals/virtue pov, regardless of how "smart" they are.
Enemy centered mindset. You both lose, but he doesn't know you exist.
Twenty years ago we would have dreamed of an all-electric superfast luxury all-American best selling practical EV. The model Y is that.
I can't speak for you, but if I asked you twenty years ago if you would have wanted that, my guess is you would have flipped for it. If I told you the price was that the CEO would be an asshole, you'd have shrugged. Obviously I'm projecting and you may have been consistent, but I also think it's possible that we often obsess over unimportant details and take great stuff for granted.
And EVs really are good, so you'll probably get one. And if not Tesla, there's a good chance that you'll be "supporting" the Chinese Communist Party or whatever.
I assure you that 99.999% of people really don't care about your car. And they care far, far less about whether you support Elon Musk.
I understand where the OP is coming from. You over estimate what people think of you and your choices.
In the end I believe you are correct, most people just don’t care about your choices.
This is one thing these new generation of "ipad only" cars gets completely wrong. We should be building these interfaces the same way NASA built the mars rover instead of building them like another left-pad nodejs electron app.
The feedback should be immediate without lag like an actual button. I however don't really need it to be tactile.
Bold considering what Toyota, VW, and Ford have gotten away with over the past few decades. Surely Toyota intentionally hiding faulty brakes is at least on-par with Musk sharing a meme you didn’t agree with. Musk has done more for climate change with the electric revolution than, let’s say, VW intentionally misleading emissions testers with their vehicles.
Please.
Does driving a Volkswagon mean that you support their founder which in this case was Adolf Hitler of the German Labor front?
It doesn't.
Which is why the majority of drivers do not care about any of that, and only an extreme tiny minority hold that view in the case of both VW and Tesla.
>> That and I really hate the lack of tactile buttons in those cars, and their love for a clearly unsafe "full self driving" solution
The FSD scam is valid criticism of its deceptive advertisement of its false sense of safety, which at least it is an add-on which you don't have to buy it with the care.
The buyers who have made the car the best-selling car on Earth obviously couldn't care less about the opinions of virtue signallers.
It’s not just the Q fueled toxic masculinity that he exudes but an understanding of how organizations work and that values come from the top down.
In paper it’s a fantastic car and deserves it’s popularity.
That's obviously an incredible accomplishment to hit 3%, but just pointing out that calling a group of people "tiny minority" here doesn't really make any sense.
It could easily be the case that more than 50-percent of people would never buy from Tesla.
I don't mean this to be rude, but nobody cares that much about your car purchase. People have their own things to think about and are rarely thinking about the reasoning for your purchasing choices.
I saw a good description (on /r/4chan, no less) of you: People who constantly check in on each other to see what the latest things are to embrace/avoid. What a miserable way to live.
That and I really hate the lack of tactile buttons in those cars, and their love for a clearly unsafe "full self driving" solution