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Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by yard2010 on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:10AM (#38568561)
Corruption is not just the dark side of Poland, but the entire west IMHO
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by xbar on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:30AM (#38568784)
The other 3 directions are corruption-free?
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by gattilorenz on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:37AM (#38569517)
can't speak for the other continents but there is very little corruption in Antarctica, so I guess if you go South enough, it is actually better
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by konschubert on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:51AM (#38569007)
The west is the least corrupt part of the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index#/...

Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by H8crilA on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:38AM (#38569543)
It baffles me that people don't realize just how bad it is in non democratic countries. Russia has FSB extorting shop owners for protection money, and even an occasional assassination is nothing particularly interesting there. Chinese companies have party cells in management. Venezuela or many African countries need to hire foreign contractors (sometimes Western :) ) so that their heads of state and other VIPs do not get killed by their coworkers. The Red Sea has actual pirates. Lebanon failed to remove kilotons of explosive ammonia nitrate for years, until it eventually blew up the capital. I could go on and on, but you can see how this compares to "train company bricked a train and it's a major scandal".
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by waffleiron on Friday December 08, 2023 @10:42AM (#38570332)
Note from that wikipedia article

>The Index only measures public sector corruption, ignoring the private sector. This, for instance, means the well-publicized Libor scandal, Odebrecht case and the VW emissions scandal are not counted as corrupt actions.

Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by konschubert on Friday December 08, 2023 @10:55AM (#38570464)
Because corruption is when state power is abused. When private companies do illegal shit it’s just a crime.
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by waffleiron on Friday December 08, 2023 @11:05AM (#38570559)
There is no requirement for it to be "state" power, please look up the definition.
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by konschubert on Friday December 08, 2023 @11:59AM (#38571196)
Okay, whatever. Pretty sure they private sector corruption isn’t worse in the west than in other parts of the world but if you want to disagree I won’t be able to change your mind
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by ddoice on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:55AM (#38569049)
perception != reality
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by bmacho on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:34AM (#38569483)
There are reasons for why we can assume that the west is the least corrupt area of the whole world.
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by hk__2 on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:58AM (#38569085)
Perception is a proxy for reality, given that you can’t measure the latter.
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by gpvos on Saturday December 09, 2023 @03:18PM (#38585574)
But for the average person, perception does influence how likely they are themselves to take part in corruption, and that in turn does influence the total amount of corruption in a country. Actual corruption is very hard to measure, so perception of corruption is a reasonable thing to research since it is in many ways "the best you can do" to get some measure of actual corruption.
Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by master-lincoln on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:52AM (#38569014)
I wanted to get numbers on this, but naturally it's not feasible to get accurate numbers on corruption happening. I found the Corruption Perceptions Index which seems to be the closest we have in quantization. By measuring perceptions of corruption, as opposed to corruption itself, the Index may simply be reinforcing existing stereotypes and cliches though.

But according to their results the "west" has the least perceived corruption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

Re:Dieselgate, but for trains – some heavyweight hardware ha... by gpvos on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:13AM (#38569264)
Yes, the west is corrupt. The rest is worse though, and less ashamed of it.