Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering at Meta

Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by stevage on Thursday December 07, 2023 @08:59AM (#38556350)

> Maybe they're doing it because it's the right thing to do, and because they'd like people to trust them.

I worked for FB briefly. It was enough to convince me that the "it's the right thing to do" is definitely not relevant to this question.

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by kaliqt on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:57AM (#38557800)

Yeah I wasn't under the impression that respect the rights of customers was in their top 10 priorities.

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by eulgro on Friday December 08, 2023 @02:12PM (#38572891)

Customers are the ones paying for ads. Users are just a resource.

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by mario970v on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:44AM (#38556885)

Seconded

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by raccoonDivider on Thursday December 07, 2023 @01:05PM (#38559617)

The few guys in charge of security engineering don't have to share the values of the whole company.

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by x0x0 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @01:24PM (#38559852)

Nonsense -- they do as long as Mark, and his chosen exec team, control whether they work there or not. Anything else is a pretty lie people tell themselves because they like the paycheck.

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by stevage on Saturday December 09, 2023 @07:29AM (#38581416)

That's kind of what I thought before I saw inside.

What actually happens is the reverse. 99% of engineers can have amazing values that you share, but they do not ultimately make the decisions. The board, Zuck, and the $ do.

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by browningstreet on Thursday December 07, 2023 @01:08PM (#38559649)

There were two parts to what you responded to. In terms of brand risk into the future, the second part could reasonably stand, no?

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by gloryjulio on Thursday December 07, 2023 @01:49PM (#38560158)

They sell ads. E2E encryption doesn't hurt that and it also appeals to the trust. So why not?

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by ses1984 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @02:23PM (#38560636)

It does hurt because you can’t deliver targeted ads based on message content.

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by pkulak on Thursday December 07, 2023 @04:37PM (#38562142)

All you do is have the end devices build the ad profiles and send them back to FB every once in a while.

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Re:Building end-to-end security for Messenger – Engineering ... by gloryjulio on Thursday December 07, 2023 @02:38PM (#38560798)

I don't think they need the exact content to sell ads.

1. sell ads base on the message itself, get crushed in the media; 2. encrypt message but sell ads based on profile and meta data, get good publicity. I think they are doing option 2

Messaging is just part of the platform. My guess is that they want to forgo this part and concentrate on others

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