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Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by jawns on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:07PM (#38512947)
One of the contributing factors here is that we keep calling these "social networks," but that's not really what they're being used for.

If you look at an average user's feed, it probably breaks down into 30% traditional advertising, 20% nontraditional advertising (via influencers and friends shilling for their employers and promoting their side hustles), 30% content by people they have no social relationship with (celebrities, etc.), 15% low-quality posts from acquaintances, and 5% content from legitimate friends.

That is a whole lot of junk to have to sift through just to get the occasional scrap of legitimate social interaction.

These are advertising networks first, and social networks a distant second, even though they ostensibly involve social graphs.

So I can understand the fatigue people feel about having to scroll and scroll and scroll just to stay in the loop with people they have an existing social relationship with and genuinely want to know what's going on in their lives.

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by Wowfunhappy on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:13PM (#38512972)
Do people really use TikTok to keep up with their friends? I'd think it's mostly for pure entertainment, like Youtube or even MTV (the TV channel).
Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by 673457e347 on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:35PM (#38513781)
Speaking as a 33 year old with a freshly 18 year old sibling I'd say TikTok fills a similar niche to YouTube. You aren't really chatting on TikTok even if some people might post. What you're most likely doing is finding videos which you then share via another medium like Discord. Discord+YouTube+TikTok is a huge thing with younger netizens (and of course gamers in the case of Discord). YouTube is still popular but TikTok is less censored (this is probably the wrong word since YouTube has edgy content, but it seems to recommend more sanitized content than TikTok which most heavy users I've known agree has a much better/unrestrained recommendation algorithm).

So saying people use TikTok directly to keep up with their friends might not be the full picture. But I'd still say for many people TikTok plays a role in keeping up with your friends in that trading TikTok finds is a popular activity for many friends.

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by intrasight on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:48PM (#38513189)
Exactly. I don't care what my friends do on Netflix or Youtube or TikTok or even Instagram. My life and those of my friends don't much intersect with the digital video entertainment we consume. Facebook and text messages are where I interact with friends. On neither do I see non-friend stuff nor ads (I use FB on desktop with filters)
Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by bilsbie on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:00PM (#38513261)
It is quite bizarre we call them social networks.

Actually I wonder if there’s a market for an actual social network that is restricted to only being social.

Maybe you can only have 100 connections and you can’t post links or rants. Just life updates and photos.

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by the_snooze on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:09PM (#38513297)
>Actually I wonder if there’s a market for an actual social network that is restricted to only being social.

There's a huge market for them. They're called private group chats, and they're popular everywhere. The problem is that you can't make much money off of that, precisely because they're socially valuable (i.e., they're strictly socially-driven, so there's no opportunity for in-line advertising, or recommending "new connections").

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by cvwright on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:40PM (#38513807)
Group chats are such a poor substitute though. On 00’s Facebook you could post once for all of your friends to see, and they didn’t have to all know each other.
Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by daemonologist on Monday December 04, 2023 @12:32AM (#38514023)
I find group chats to be a pretty excellent solution, though I am less gregarious than average. Occasionally I post something in multiple groups or create a new "temporary" group in order to share it with people from different circles; this creates some detritus but not often to the point of being much of a downside.

The problem I most often experience with group chats is that not everyone's on the same platform (excepting SMS) but old fashioned social media has that issue too. They also don't scale super well to large clubs or organizations, where I think having topic-oriented posts or threads as the default becomes valuable.

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by aembleton on Monday December 04, 2023 @06:25AM (#38515979)
On 00s Facebook your friends had to visit your timeline to see your post as there was no feed.
Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by the_snooze on Monday December 04, 2023 @08:52AM (#38517176)
> On 00’s Facebook you could post once for all of your friends to see, and they didn’t have to all know each other.

I consider the inability to do this a feature, not a bug. Group chats are socially segmented, with friction between those segments. That crazy uncle who loves conspiracy theories will be confined to just the group chats you have in common. You don't get insufferable loudmouths at scale, amplified by social media reward structures and algorithms.

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by TuringNYC on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:09PM (#38513296)
>> It is quite bizarre we call them social networks.

They used to be social networks until they got littered with short-term engagement boosting content and ads. Facebook in 2006/2007 was so awesome.

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by JackFr on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:41PM (#38513808)
The thing is, Facebook was never awesome. Really. Never.

It demonstrably reduces happiness and life satisfaction. It’s just bad.

And it’s easy to quit. Really.

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by solumunus on Monday December 04, 2023 @01:27AM (#38514259)
In my opinion, there is no way that early Facebook was reducing happiness and life satisfaction in aggregate. I doubt you were a Facebook user in that period if that’s your perception. It was so benign in the early days.
Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by aembleton on Monday December 04, 2023 @06:27AM (#38515995)
If I wasn't on Facebook then I wouldn't have been able to join my local running group. That is one demonstration of how it has increased my happiness by me being on it. However, if Facebook didn't exist then the running group would probably use some other platform so in aggregate Facebook hasn't improved things; just made it easier for groups to organise.
Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by loughnane on Monday December 04, 2023 @07:52AM (#38516632)
Nah, it was good in ‘04 ‘05. Being able to see photos other people took of you at parties was a novelty and was welcome. It was like a phone book with photos.

Even later the groups function was great for many.

On balance it’s been bad, but it has its moments in the sun.

It was also a desktop experience so it wasn’t nearly as potent as it was when the smartphone showed up

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by Sophistifunk on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:50PM (#38513861)
That's fediverse. It's all run by people who can't be arsed running an ad network, and because it's federated the users can just go elsewhere if you did try something like that.
Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by joshspankit on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:12PM (#38513667)
Makes me think of the shift from reality TV (real people living authentically on TV) to “reality TV” (the genre with it’s specific formulas/tropes/manipulation).
Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by pbj1968 on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:21PM (#38513722)
Your first one never existed.
Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by joshspankit on Monday December 04, 2023 @10:09AM (#38518189)
Early Big Brother immediately comes to mind
Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by Mtinie on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:41PM (#38513487)
> Maybe you can only have 100 connections and you can’t post links or rants. Just life updates and photos.

Many I’ve been exposed to wouldn’t know what to post if it wasn’t regurgitated content or rants.

We could go back to the early days of Facebook and Twitter: “I’m having toast! And it’s not burned!”

It could be an improvement.

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by pcchristie on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:24PM (#38513394)
There is one, it's called Hallo. I have it and don't have a single friend on it yet which is a shame. There's a few more "healthy rules" like no influencers, no more than 100 friends, etc.

I believe Path tried to do this too, and failed.

Re:Study: Students would be willing to pay $28 to have peers... by intrasight on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:12PM (#38513319)
If you can make something that is 10x better than group chats, there may be a market. I'm assuming that someone soon will come up with something.