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Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by ctoth on Friday December 01, 2023 @10:13AM (#38487634)
It's more than three years since most people started working from home. Can you estimate when you expect these impacts to start showing up?
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by Filligree on Friday December 01, 2023 @10:19AM (#38487711)
Speaking for myself, I’m getting the hang of training people remotely. It takes more structure, and it took a year to learn how, but it’s totally doable.
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by duckmysick on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:02AM (#38488227)
Can you share what worked and what didn't when it comes to training people remotely?
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by Filligree on Friday December 01, 2023 @01:42PM (#38490533)
Checklists are the big one. We've got a big spreadsheet of general areas that people should know, each with a lecture attached, but those are for self-study; I go over each one in detail with each new hire in a series of sessions typically lasting ~3 months, at 2-3 sessions per week.

Separately, I hold what amounts to office hours 3 times per week, where anyone who feels like it can show up to ask questions—but new hires are encouraged to do so until absolutely certain they don't need to, and also to keep track of questions between sessions.

There's more, but this is the part that's easy to explain.

What didn't work... crucially, waiting for newbies to ask questions doesn't work; they won't. You need to actively go looking, and also bring up areas they might not even know they ought to ask about.

Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by duckmysick on Saturday December 02, 2023 @04:40AM (#38497383)
Thanks for the answer. I see the theme is you have to be proactive instead of passively dump info hope for the best. It makes total sense.
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by cm2012 on Friday December 01, 2023 @10:18AM (#38487699)
Seriously. GDP and productivity are super high right now.
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by dfxm12 on Friday December 01, 2023 @10:33AM (#38487905)
And wages? ...just slightly higher :|
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by red-iron-pine on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:18AM (#38488427)
that's been happening since the 1970s :/
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by tessierashpool on Friday December 01, 2023 @10:34AM (#38487913)
It's more than three years since most people started working from home.

a lot more than three years. remote work goes back decades before covid.

GitHub, Shopify, and Stripe all started as remote companies.

the really annoying thing is not the legions of people who believe it all started in 2020. the really annoying thing is that there's a ton of excellent literature on how to do it, and when it suddenly became mainstream in 2020, the newcomers ignored all that literature.

Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by insom on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:06AM (#38488283)
Shopify only went remote in March 2020, after being strongly anti-remote for a long time. You're right that they have leaned into 100% remote since the pandemic, however.

There were remote employees before (especially in Production Engineering and much of Support), but R&D was almost all in person.

(Source: I miss the productivity of the Elgin Street office ...)

Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by tessierashpool on Friday December 01, 2023 @01:44PM (#38490554)
I'm talking about the period from 2006 to 2008 or so. source: that's when I met Tobi and a few other early people.
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by matchbok on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:16PM (#38492534)
Nobody knows. What will catch up soon is any country in the USA time zones discovering they can do you job for 20% pay. People who think they will be able to work remotely while making top-city salary are delusional.
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by Niksko on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:57PM (#38496022)
I disagree with GP. The impact on employees (junior or otherwise) and the hit to productivity exists, it's just a result of under investment in remote-first working practices. Anything between fully remote and fully in office / everyone in the office on the same days per week is going to be shown to be disaster.

I think the effects are going to start presenting now, but because it's a new phenomenon for most organizations, it won't be recognized for another year or so. The next 2-5 years are going to be littered with stories along the lines of 'progress ground to a halt and nobody could put their finger on why, so we tried a bunch of stuff that didn't work and eventually realized it was a lack of any remote strategy'