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Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by Teever on Thursday November 30, 2023 @10:45AM (#38474882)
Why nuclear plants and not solar, wind or geothermal?
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by shockeychap on Thursday November 30, 2023 @10:55AM (#38475024)
It works reliably and predictably in all weather conditions. It is able to produce enough energy to meet all of our needs.

None of the other options satisfies both of these things. Some satisfy neither.

Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by waitforit on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:38AM (#38475597)
> It works reliably and predictably in all weather conditions.

So they don't need to be shut down when it's getting too hot to cool them?

https://qz.com/1348969/europes-heatwave-is-forcing-nuclear-p...

https://www.energylivenews.com/2012/08/14/us-nuclear-plant-s...

Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by jonhohle on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:45AM (#38475684)
We have one on central Arizona that never needs to shut down due to heat and definitely does not rely on sea water for cooling. So no, they don’t need to shut down when it gets too hot if they are designed for the heat.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by waitforit on Thursday November 30, 2023 @12:28PM (#38476207)
It seems like that's only a question of when it needs to shut down rather than if:

https://www.wired.com/story/nuclear-power-plants-struggling-...

> In the US, the sole desert-based nuclear facility, the Palo Verde plant in Arizona, relies on municipal wastewater rather than rivers or seas, though the facility has struggled with rising costs as more industries compete for limited supplies.

Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by vlovich123 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:44AM (#38475666)
It’s highly ironic that fossil fuels might be creating a problem that cripples nuclear fission going forward. That being said, I’m hoping we manage to scale up direct energy transfer and bypass the need for turbines.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by kcplate on Saturday December 02, 2023 @10:39AM (#38499314)
The real irony is that environmental activism using FUD against nuclear energy tech in the ‘70s through early ‘90s crippled it even more.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by TheLoafOfBread on Thursday November 30, 2023 @03:23PM (#38478572)
Because French were cheapening out on cooling towers and water returning back to river would be too hot. It is not problem of fission in general. It is just construction defect of those types of plants.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by Teever on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:18AM (#38475317)
I bet you would see more, cheaper energy if you overbuilt solar and wind and strategically placed it across all the time zones of America.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by lopis on Thursday November 30, 2023 @12:55PM (#38476610)
And takes ages to build. Solar is here now not in 15 years.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by xnx on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:03AM (#38475120)
Solar and wind are already being built almost as fast as they can (grid permitting).
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by cronix on Thursday November 30, 2023 @10:46AM (#38474908)
It works 24/7
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by Teever on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:17AM (#38475313)
Except it doesn't work for the 20 years that it takes to build a nuclear power plant.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by agent327 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:39AM (#38475599)
Oh, is it 20 now? Strange that the US does so much worse than the global average, which is 6-8 years. Is it a competency issue, you think?
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by jonhohle on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:55AM (#38475805)
It amazes me how we could do things so quickly in the past (e.g. build a nuclear power plant, get to the moon). Shippingport was built in 4 years.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by sickofparadox on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:29AM (#38475465)
Skill issue - overcome after we build a few and streamline the onerous permitting process.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by Teever on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:33AM (#38475518)
That will still take at least 20 years.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by sickofparadox on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:36AM (#38475553)
"A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit." Long term investment into the future is a good thing.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by Teever on Thursday November 30, 2023 @01:53PM (#38477458)
I agree with that sentiment but do we have 20 years to spend waiting to stave off climate change?
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by sickofparadox on Thursday November 30, 2023 @05:26PM (#38480061)
I'm not saying to only build nuclear, but it'll certainly help us out down the line, and not building it is almost certainly far worse than the potential of it being slow to build.
Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by stronglikedan on Thursday November 30, 2023 @10:56AM (#38475039)
solar - nuclear is always on

wind - nuclear has a small defined footprint and doesn't kill animals

geothermal - nuclear can be built anywhere

nuclear - is safe and effective

Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by bad_alloc on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:01AM (#38475094)
> nuclear is always on

When is peak energy demand during the day/month/year?

> nuclear can be built anywhere

Like Fukushima? How do you handle lack of cooling water during droughts (see France 2022)?

> doesn't kill animals

How many animals get killed by wind farms roughly?

> is safe and effective

What is the cost per MWh including building cost + waste disposal costs?

Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by linksnapzz on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:23AM (#38475388)
>> nuclear can be built anywhere

>Like Fukushima? How do you handle lack of cooling water during droughts (see France 2022)?

Fukushima had problems that were known before the tsunami, that TEPCO failed to address.

Likewise, EDF has (and still had) power-delivery in France during the summer of 2022; "summer" being an event that has happened with some regularity in southern Europe for some time.

Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by TheLoafOfBread on Thursday November 30, 2023 @03:28PM (#38478625)
> How do you handle lack of cooling water during droughts (see France 2022)?

As far as I know, it was not lack of cooling water, but water retuning back to river being too hot, because that specific French design does not have cooling towers and discharges water back to river.

Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by tokai on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:07AM (#38475184)
>How many animals get killed by wind farms roughly?

Half a million a year in the US. Maybe.

https://abcbirds.org/blog21/wind-turbine-mortality/

Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by InitialLastName on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:33AM (#38475516)
For complete context, that's out of 7.2 billion birds in the US [0]. So 7 per 100k per year.

[0] https://www.denverpost.com/2019/09/20/bird-population-decrea...

Re:The University of California has all but dropped carbon o... by sickofparadox on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:31AM (#38475492)
We are already building those - at significant taxpayer subsidy. The companies actually creating most of the pollution should help deal with base load by building many large nuclear plants.