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Re:Cybertruck Launch by MagicMoonlight on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @06:23PM (#38466795)
Everyone gets bigger cars because bigger cars have more room inside so they're really comfortable and practical.

Teslas are heavier because they have to use batteries and batteries are incredibly inefficient compared to petrol. This is the consequence of you asking them to get rid of combustion.

Re:Cybertruck Launch by AYBABTME on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @06:37PM (#38466957)
They're not "inefficient", they're less power-dense in terms of mass. There's many types of efficiencies and where a car is involved, EVs are largely more efficient in those measures than ICE cars.
Re:Cybertruck Launch by me_me_me on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @06:41PM (#38467018)
well the weight of petrol disapears, batteries' stay the same.

So petrol is more efficient in that way.

Re:Cybertruck Launch by alweirjt on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @07:02PM (#38467272)
Considering the weight of ICE fuel is 2-3% of a typical car's mass, that "advantage" is negligible.
Re:Cybertruck Launch by makeitdouble on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @07:00PM (#38467248)
> practical

US trucks would be succesful internationally if that was the case.

Re:Cybertruck Launch by chucksmash on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @07:23PM (#38467486)
Is zeroing in on one single word from a parent post and "but actually..."ing it really a worthwhile use of your time? Pickup trucks are obviously practical vehicles for a whole range of uses. They don't make Technicals out of Corollas.
Re:Cybertruck Launch by Ancapistani on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @07:22PM (#38467467)
That would be true only if the use cases were the same. The US is very different in terms of both geography and infrastructure than most of the developed world.
Re:Cybertruck Launch by freedrock87 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @09:56AM (#38474263)
Seriously?
Re:Cybertruck Launch by Ancapistani on Thursday November 30, 2023 @02:44PM (#38478142)
Yes, seriously.

How many European farmers are pulling a trailer 150 miles each way to pick up a load of hay? That's a relatively regular occurrence for my family. That sort of thing isn't at all uncommon in the US.

Streets are narrower in many parts of Europe as well, which means a larger truck isn't practical as a sole vehicle.

Re:Cybertruck Launch by ponector on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @07:04PM (#38467289)
Is Tesla heavier?

Tesla model s has same weight as Porsche Panamera S.

Re:Cybertruck Launch by 0xfae on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @06:30PM (#38466874)
> batteries are incredibly inefficient compared to petrol

What are you getting on about? By what metric?

Re:Cybertruck Launch by SheepSlapper on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @06:38PM (#38466987)
Weight, presumably, because that's the topic of the parent comment. Mile for mile, batteries are heavy and gasoline is (comparatively) light
Re:Cybertruck Launch by red369 on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @06:36PM (#38466945)
I assume they are referring to batteries having lower energy/power density, as opposed to the efficiency of the drivetrain
Re:Cybertruck Launch by rockemsockem on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @06:38PM (#38466985)
Mass
Re:Cybertruck Launch by TaylorAlexander on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @09:27PM (#38468603)
> This is the consequence of you asking them to get rid of combustion.

What I asked for was trains and protected bike lanes actually.

Re:Cybertruck Launch by hypercube33 on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:02AM (#38484706)
I actually really hate bike lanes. I feel like they are far more dangerous. What I really want are bike freeways and multi use paths because sidewalks are dumb
Re:Cybertruck Launch by GuB-42 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @01:07PM (#38476769)
I think the proper term is energy dense.

Efficiency in cars is usually meant to be energy efficiency, energy out over energy in. And electric cars are usually more efficient by most metrics, even if you count the amount of gas an internal combustion engine uses vs the amount it takes an oil fired plant to charge an electric car that drives the same distance (well-to-wheels efficiency).

Re:Cybertruck Launch by yogurtboy on Thursday November 30, 2023 @02:51PM (#38478226)
If you've ever been in the cab of a recent F-150, you'd know that they don't have more interior space than a VW Golf. More practical, sure, but only if the one time per year you haul your boat out to a desert reservoir is worth the countless attempts at parking.

Secondly, battery + motor is actually more efficient than ICE. You might be thinking of power density, which is significantly lower on an EV.

Thirdly, I don't love the pro-car company attitude: people don't have to compromise on low emissions vs. safety vs. practicality. Car companies have forced the choice upon us from a century and billions of dollars of marketing and lobbying.

Re:Cybertruck Launch by cityofdelusion on Friday December 01, 2023 @03:32PM (#38491935)
I have to call BS on the F-150 to Golf comparison. My 2018 Golf has nowhere near the interior space of an F-150. The Golf is (fairly) comfortable, but as a taller person, an F-150 is absolutely luxurious in leg/knee/head room compared to the Golf. It is like riding on a couch vs. being strapped into a race car. Not to mention that there is just about zero rear seat leg room in the Golf when adjusted to my driving position, while an F-150 my 90lb dog can stand on the floor of the vehicle back there.
Re:Cybertruck Launch by snotrockets on Friday December 01, 2023 @07:08PM (#38494360)
VW won't warranty it (due to the suspension not tuned for it), but a Golf GTI can tow 2,000kg. So for many boats, you don't even need a stupid truck.

Had people wanted cars that are practical, they'd get minivans (and vans, if you do haul a lot).

Re:Cybertruck Launch by stcredzero on Thursday November 30, 2023 @04:32PM (#38479476)
Everyone gets bigger cars because bigger cars have more room inside so they're really comfortable and practical.

People in the US get bigger pickup trucks, because of market distortions causing manufacturers to stop making the small ones, not because there's no demand for small trucks. This is why importing K trucks is a thing.

Teslas are heavier because they have to use batteries and batteries are incredibly inefficient compared to petrol.

Teslas and EVs in general are way more efficient in terms of energy used per mile. By well over a factor of 2 in most cases. According to Google: "The various versions of the Model 3 are rated between 113 MPGe and 141 MPGe by the EPA."

Re:Cybertruck Launch by tzs on Thursday November 30, 2023 @06:12PM (#38480589)
> Teslas are heavier because they have to use batteries and batteries are incredibly inefficient compared to petrol

That's not anywhere near correct.

With an ICE about 80% of the energy from the gasoline is lost, mostly due to heat.

With an EV about 30-35% of the energy from the battery is lost if there is no regenerative braking. With regenerative braking EVs only lose about 11% of the energy from the battery.

Here's an article with some nice diagrams of the losses in both [1].

[1] https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-inte...