It is safe to be a Western journalist in Israel, but if you are Arab reporting on Israel from an Arab perspective, it is quite dangerous.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/world/middleeast/palestia...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/30/reuters-al-jazeera...

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/...

Kinda strange. First article says Palestinian leaders rejected request about investigation under international supervision and refused to show the bullet, claiming it was an armor piercing round. While IDF soldiers use standard ammunition.

The general international consensus is that Israeli soldiers killed her, but you can personally claim anything you want, that is your right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shireen_Abu_Akleh

That was in an area administered by Palestine. It can't really be considered "in Israel" at all. I think it strengthens his point that it's hard to get comprehensive journalism in an area either controlled or actively contested by terrorists.

The Palestinian Authority administers the West Bank. No country in the world considers them a terrorist organization.

Our thinking here is, we're going to settle Israel/Palestine once and for all, on this message board thread; a pity, we think, nobody ever thought of just tossing the question to us in the first place. The lives that could have been saved.

> or actively contested by terrorists.

The Palestinian Authority isn't a terrorist organization, but Hamas does maintain an active presence in the West Bank. The government also explicitly encourages terrorist attacks in the region through the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund.

yeah and being a journalist in gaza is extremely deadly (because Israel appears to specifically target any journalists and their families reporting in the area)

https://cpj.org/2023/11/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-...

The piece you cite here at no point supports (or even makes) the outlandish claim you've made here.

It doesn’t make the point outright, but the reports that 80%ish of the journalists were killed in their homes, many with their kids and families, could at least support the claim that Israel is “targeting” journalists.

It does no such thing.

And why is that?

What do you mean? The article you linked never claims 80% of journalists were killed in their homes, or anything near that number. Where did you get that number from?

I did not link the article. I was responding to the comment that stridently declared that the article provides no support for the claim that Israel is targeting journalists.

I got the number by actually fully reading the article, counting up the number of Palestinians who were listed as killed in their home or with their families (around 30) and then of the remaining, reading the provided linked reports that gave more detail as to how the journalists died (around 8). 38 died in their homes, 49 Palestinian journalists killed totally, hence around 80 percent. I may be off by a couple since here or there, but to say that the article “doesn’t mention anything near that number” is a stretch.

> 38 died in their homes, 49 Palestinian journalists killed totally, hence around 80 percent.

But the article only lists 18 of the journalists as killed in their homes, out of 50 killed in Gaza. That's 36%.

Even if we accept that "80% of the journalists were killed in their homes" at face value, that doesn't mean anything if 80% of overall casualties happened in their own homes.

And even if that number is substantially higher than average, sometimes these things happen by chance – numbers are funny like that. Or there may be some factor other than "being a journalist" that skews this figure.

It's a very strong claim. I don't expect air-tight evidence, but you really need something stronger than a very weak "surely it can't be a coincidence?!" like this.

I mean if you look at the photos and videos of Palestinian journalists on October 7th - none of them wearing any visible signs that are they with press. Even though they literally traveled on vehicles with Hamas fighters.

That is probably true.

Doesn't change the consequence, but probably true.

try telling the family of shireen abu akleh about how safe it was to be a journalist in israel

They didn’t say Israel is safe, just safer than Syria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_dur...

Syria is much less safe than Israel is, but millions of people live there, and newswires can buy information from them; that's what a stringer is. The allegations I've read are that, on a good day in 2018, AP might have had one stringer to get information from. That's a decision AP made, not a reality it had to conform to.