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Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by wolframhempel on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:01PM (#38448742)
I'm surprised that this is something that needs to be said with caution. Does anybody want to live in a world where individual government institutions selectively shun private citizens or companies? A world where - rather than in a court of law - you're punished by the electricity company deciding to cut your power?
Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by therouwboat on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:07PM (#38448840)
Its not really government thats wants to block deliveries, more like government owned company is supporting workers and unions.
Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by whats_a_quasar on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:09PM (#38448884)
The government has the obligation to deliver services to residents and businesses. If some government workers refuse to do the work, the government's obligation is unchanged, and they need to find another way to fulfill it
Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by mrmanner on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:31PM (#38449312)
The government has an obligation to deliver services according to its laws and agreements it has entered. The current view of the courts seems to be that there’s no law clearly defining an obligation for the state so provide postal services in this specific situation.

Will be interesting to see where this ends.

Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:11PM (#38448917)
> government has the obligation to deliver services to residents and businesses

Postnord is a private company [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostNord

Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:26PM (#38449220)
I think this case is interesting in that it tests the distinction. It isnt a government agency, but it is 100% government owned and provides a public service.

I could see an argument that delivery is not a de jure function of government, but it certainly seems to a de facto function of government.

If a country delegates the execution of it's obligations to a private party, I would expect that it is still responsible for their fulfillment.

Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by Jensson on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:23PM (#38449161)
Private

"The owners of PostNord Group are the state of Sweden (60 percent) and the state of Denmark (40 percent)."

It was a merger between the two countries postal services that were created over 300 years ago, it still has no private shareholders. It is still very closely tied to government rulings and laws around postal services.

Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:24PM (#38449185)
> still very closely tied to government rulings and laws around postal services

Sure. But you can't sue Fannie Mae for denying you guarantees under the equal protection clause.

Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by paulddraper on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @03:44PM (#38451036)
But if Fannie Mae is unable or unwilling to perform the governmental functions it is contracted for, the government must find a new contractor who will, yes?

Unless the law specifically enshrines the privilege of one named private party above others?

Any of that make sense?

Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by Jensson on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:33PM (#38449342)
But there are laws around post packages similar to the US common carrier laws, you can't just reject packages due to not liking the sender or recipient. Every country has such laws around important services.
Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:38PM (#38449426)
> there are laws around post packages similar to the US common carrier laws, you can't just reject packages due to not liking the sender or recipient. Every country has such laws around important services.

Yes! Sweden has laws around labour disputes. Again, these are deeply precedented. Even the experience of American companies being caught pants down in their respect is precedented.

Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by Jensson on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @02:12PM (#38449921)
> Yes! Sweden has laws around labour disputes

But these things haven't been pitted against each other in court. The state has to provide these services according to law, but workers can strike according to law. So what happens when these two things oppose each other? That is what these lawsuits are supposed to figure out.

So it makes perfect sense to sue in this case. Clearing these things up is a really good thing.

Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by Hikikomori on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @04:56PM (#38451865)
I don't know if it ended up in court but Posten employees/Seko sympathy striked against toys r us in the 90s.
Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by gabeaweg on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:28PM (#38449259)
Is there a law saying that Fannie Mae is the only company that can do X? Because that's the case with postnord: only they can handle these plates, by law.
Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by mrmanner on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:37PM (#38449413)
That’s not exactly the case though - the court in the other Tesla case, against the government, has ordered the agency registering vehicles to ensure Tesla can pick up their plates directly from the manufacturer:

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/domstol-teslas-registreri...

Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:33PM (#38449334)
> Is there a law saying that Fannie Mae is the only company that can do X?

Guarantee mortgages with the implicit backing of the U.S.? Yes.

There are loads of other examples of NGOs being granted limited monopolies. The NFL is a famous example. The MPAA and NCMEC others.

Re:District court rejects Tesla request, Postnord does not h... by whats_a_quasar on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:24PM (#38449176)
From that link:

> "The owners of PostNord Group are the state of Sweden (60 percent) and the state of Denmark (40 percent)"

So no, it's a state-owned company. And most national postal services have some sort of equal-service guarantee in law, though I don't know about Sweden.