Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for Geert Wilders

Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by newyankee on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @08:00AM (#38445215)

Canada is not at all a crowded country, yet it has housing crisis. At least Netherlands had the foresight to create dense, urban spaces with cycling infrastructure and half decent public transit. All they need to do now is replicate this. The thing about environmental concerns is that the nos should be balanced with human quality of life, and in that lens the Dutch way really works better than many other developed countries.

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Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by doublespanner on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @08:17AM (#38445364)

The way a country gets crowded has less to do with the actual land, and more to do with the rate of growth and investment in infrastructure.

The Netherlands had a similar population to Canada in 1950, but today's population is dramatically smaller. Combine that with a historical higher tax rate and investment in infrastructure, this is not something that can be replicated...

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Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by fzeroracer on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @08:12AM (#38445320)

As is with Canada, the problem is always investors. Canada's housing crisis stemmed from a lot of outside money buying up property simply to sit on it and leave it empty/unused, and in the Netherlands you see similar trends along with investors buying up property the moment it appears. Additionally, any bans on things like Airbnb gets overruled by the court system.

These are all things that lower taxes and kicking out foreigners can't solve, because that just opens up more property for investors to swoop in and buy. You stop investors from speculating on property and make it illegal for property to go unused and you solve a good chunk of the issue right there.

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Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by Bostonian on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @08:20AM (#38445395)

Real estate investors expect to earn income from the properties they buy, and thus try to rent them out, especially when interest rates are above zero as they are now. Often the financial plan assumes that rental income will be used to pay the mortgage, property taxes, and other costs.

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Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by alistairSH on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @10:24AM (#38446648)

I assume the OP is referring to (largely Chinese) real estate buyers, where the goal isn't so much earning a return, but instead finding a safe place to stash money. I know this was reported as a problem in Vancouver, BC, but I'm unconvinced it's a true problem outside of hyper-local areas. I've also seen the same argument about luxury flats in London (mostly Middle Eastern buyers here).

And of course, the reporting always calls out the non-native buyers, largely ignoring that wealthy Americans, Canadians, and Brits also own multiple homes spanning many nations, and can't inhabit them all at the same time.

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Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by theironhammer on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @09:02PM (#38454514)

They built loads of condos in Vancouver which were only advertised for sale overseas in Asia. Residents in Canada weren't given a chance to purchase.

40% of Canadian Federal MPs are landlords.

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Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by gruez on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @08:29AM (#38445475)

>Canada's housing crisis stemmed from a lot of outside money buying up property simply to sit on it and leave it empty/unused

Is canada's vacancy rate significantly higher than other developed countries?

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Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by PaulHoule on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @08:34AM (#38445521)

British Colombia has the same problem as California in that it is a lot of land but most of it is uninhabitable.

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Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by ghaff on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @08:57AM (#38445705)

Or, also like California, there are places where land is pretty inexpensive but they are less desirable for various reasons and there isn't a lot of local employment available. (Yes, a fair bit of land is mountainous but there's also a fair bit of habitable but undeveloped/lightly developed land.)

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Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by red-iron-pine on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @10:19AM (#38446613)

Canada and Australia are both facing a housing crisis, and that's mostly due to the fact that the country is huge, but the actually livable parts of the country are fairly small. Then add in the standard Anglo Neoliberalism and surprise surprise big money controls what little habitable space is available.

I've lived in both and worked outside in -40C and +40C, and both are rough. I'd rather be in Virginia and 4 actual seasons. Or San Diego, where there is just one.

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Re:Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for ... by skissane on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @10:13PM (#38455018)

> Canada and Australia are both facing a housing crisis, and that's mostly due to the fact that the country is huge, but the actually livable parts of the country are fairly small.

I can’t speak for Canada, but in the case of Australia - there are heaps of small towns in Australia with affordable housing, it is just few people want to live in them. The median house price in Hay, NSW, is only AU$237K (US$157K). Hay is “liveable” - its climate is mild (mean min is 10 deg C, mean max is 24.3 deg C, 368.3 mm annual rainfall). It is on a major river. But, who wants to live in a town of 2500 people which is 5 hours drive from the nearest major city?

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