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Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by amelius on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:02PM (#38372479)
Falsehoods programmers believe about laundering laws ...
Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by drc500free on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:07PM (#38372534)
Falsehoods programmers believe about laws and courts usually boil down to incorrectly thinking that it's impossible to prove intent.
Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by bombcar on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:08PM (#38372545)
Programmers also thing the law is code and the judge a compiler, and if you find a bug you win.
Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by Verdex on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:34PM (#38372822)
The legal system exists to prevent people from using violence to solve their own problems. A very powerful third party arbitrating helps keep things relatively civil.

If you did find a bug, then society needs to patch it. And that's to desirable outcome.

The undesirable outcome is that someone sends a ninja into your house at 3am to manually patch the bug.

Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by SpicyLemonZest on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @09:32PM (#38373911)
What's much more common than either of those is that the bug isn't fixed and it's no big deal.

For example, there's a widely known bug in the definition of "legal tender". It doesn't vary based on the size of payment to be tendered, so in a sense, you're entitled to pay a $10,000 bill in the form of 250,000 quarters unless you've specifically agreed otherwise. Every once in a while someone tries to exploit this (recently: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/us/coins-lawsuit-payment-...), but judges can and do simply declare the exploit to be in bad faith and make them knock it off. (As any third party arbitrator would do.)

Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by waste_monk on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @12:06AM (#38374948)
Surprised you don't have something like this[1], at the federal level:

" ...coins are legal tender for payment of amounts which are limited as follows:

    not exceeding 20c if 1c and/or 2c coins are offered (these coins have been withdrawn from circulation, but are still legal tender);
    not exceeding $5 if any combination of 5c, 10c, 20c and 50c coins are offered; and
    not exceeding 10 times the face value of the coin if $1 or $2 coins are offered.
"

It's clean, simple, and effective. And an entity can choose to accept the coins anyway if they wanted to, it just doesn't oblige them to accept them.

[1] https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/legal/legal-tender/

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Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by hurryer on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:18PM (#38372662)
Or you could go to prison for 10 years for rape and lose child custody, so you don't get any money either.
Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by klipt on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:45PM (#38372942)
Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by hurryer on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @08:12PM (#38373238)
Statutory rape is not the same thing as rape. That's why it has a different name. And the "rapist" was a minor too. So far from how you presented the case.
Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by klipt on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @10:25PM (#38374379)
Adult rape is even harder to prove than statutory rape, so the rapist is even more likely to get away with it unpunished.

And the child support law is the same in all cases. No exceptions for statutory rape, no exceptions for regular rape either.

Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by OJFord on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @08:26PM (#38373356)
Alright, I'll bite, how do you prove intent?

(.. Short of finding a note that 'I OJFord declare that I intend to [do something I'm later accused of] signed [etc.]' I mean .)

Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by williamcotton on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @08:39PM (#38373473)
You can attempt to show intent to a judge and jury with physical evidence and witness testimony. It just needs to be a better story with better props than the other side can put together!

During the discovery phase of a legal case the court will order inspections, evidence to be produced, depositions, expert reports, etc. Somewhere in there is an arrangement of facts that signifies some kind of intent behind an action.

Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by OJFord on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:11PM (#38382812)
Ok well yes you can 'prove intent' beyond reasonable doubt - I perhaps wrongly (given the context) took other commenter literally. You can't ever actually prove what a person intended, if they haven't claimed or claim otherwise themselves. But yes you can of course satisfy a judge or jury of peers that something was overwhelmingly likely their intent, and they are just lying about (or not admitting to) it.
Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by dragonwriter on Friday December 01, 2023 @07:50PM (#38494658)
> Alright, I'll bite, how do you prove intent?

The same way you prove anything else in a legal case, by sufficient evidence to convince the trier of fact that it is sufficiently likely to be true ("sufficiently likely" depending on the applicable standard of proof, which varies based on the context which creates the need for proof.)

Legal proof (even to criminal conviction standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and even moreso to the standards used for civil liability and other purposes) isn't logical proof.

Re:Is it legal to mix cash in a jar? How is Bitcoin mixing a... by duped on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @09:58PM (#38374177)
I can't count the number of times I've been asked to relicense a piece of GPL software I maintain because users think it's "fair use" of the original source I built it from.

Sorry, even if I agree with you, the lawyers for the owners that have proven to be litigious in the past aren't going to stop and consider that line of thought when it's up to a judge and/or jury to decide that and I can't afford the legal bill.