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Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by bad_username on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:05PM (#38359040)
> You mean when the advertising companies pulled their money from Twitter after its owner said Jews "pushing [...] hatred against whites" was "the actual truth"?

Not really, because I specifically stated that my response was not about the Musk situation. "Jewish communities hate whites" does sound pretty antisemitic to me.

But so does the equivalent trash of "all whites are racist", which for some reason is a-ok for the advertising companies.

Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by squigz on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @12:09AM (#38359568)
> But so does the equivalent trash of "all whites are racist", which for some reason is a-ok for the advertising companies.

Is it okay with them? Any kind of proof to back this up?

Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by bad_username on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @12:15AM (#38359621)
The "White fragility" book by Robin DiAngelo brought this message to the main stream. It was carried very widely by ad networks.
Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by squigz on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @12:23AM (#38359698)
Out of curiosity, do you also think critical race theory says that white people are racist?
Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by Always_Anon on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @12:28PM (#38462249)
It absolutely does.
Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by spondylosaurus on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:11PM (#38359094)
> But so does the equivalent trash of "all whites are racist", which for some reason is a-ok for the advertising companies.

So... free speech? To the extent that advertising is speech, I guess?

Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by mindslight on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @12:03AM (#38359529)
It's "a-ok" because the advertising companies are racist - as they've generally always been.

I've been pondering a thought that we need to stop treating racism as something like a witch hunt, and analyze it more like poop. Something that will never be eliminated, but rather is everyone's responsibility to minimize. Anyone can get some on their hands by accident, laziness, or dealing with a problem. But you don't come out of the bathroom waving it around and expecting to be appreciated. And if a bunch of people started proudly declaring that they shouldn't have to wash their hands and generally validating each others' slobbery, they'd be rightfully shunned.

This framing has some nice results like the contortions around "reverse" racism and the whitewashing of "positive" racism as "not racism" aren't necessary. If you're engaging in collectivism based on race, that's racism - regardless of whether your intent is "good" or "bad". And sometimes that's inevitable (cf "dealing with a problem"), but that doesn't mean it's ever something to really be celebrated.

Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by pyvpx on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:12PM (#38359104)
bad_understanding_of_racism
Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by zmgsabst on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:34PM (#38359291)
Many racists proclaim people “misunderstand racism” when their different standards for different races are denounced for being racist.

After 160 years of the same political party fighting to rebuild racism, generation after generation, people are done hearing the moralizing excuses for why this time Democrats have the magic formula for virtuous bigotry.

Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by Falmarri on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:47AM (#38361534)
>After 160 years of the same political party fighting to rebuild racism

Is this serious comment? There was nothing that happened in the parties in the 1960s? Maybe 1964? All of a sudden the people in the south just suddenly decided to no longer be racist, and joined the Republican party fighting _against_ racism?

Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by zmgsabst on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @09:37AM (#38364193)
Yes — the same party has been persistently racist.

After the Civil War, they formed the KKK and Jim Crow to circumvent civil rights.

In modern times, they implemented racial quotas then racial preferences, both of which were ruled illegal bigotry by the US Supreme Court. (At Harvard and UNC, just last year.)

The same party who called blacks “super predators” (Clinton) and whose current president described integrated schools as a “racial jungle” (Biden).

The same party whose supporters are in the streets today, chanting genocidal slogans such as “from the river to the sea”.

The former DNC chairwoman just this week mocked the name of someone born in the US with Indian heritage and told him to “go home!”

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4319012-vivek-ramaswamy-c...

That you think the Democrats are anything but persistently racist is a testament to how well propaganda works.

Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by zozbot234 on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @12:52PM (#38462607)
> All of a sudden the people in the south just suddenly decided to no longer be racist

That's pretty much what happened. The CRA (passed despite the opposition of southern Democrats) shifted the social equilibrium away from racism and a segregated society being totally normal and state-sanctioned, and Southern states had to reinvent themselves along different lines. They broadly chose economic freedom starting from the 1980s (despite continuing opposition by Dems, who to this day favor heavy-handed state intervention and a highly paternalistic attitude towards minorities), which is what created the modern Sunbelt.

Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by pyvpx on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:14PM (#38371136)
you can’t be racist against white people. the definition of racism centers on power not the tone of dermis. read some different books and open up that independent thinking some.
Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by Izkata on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @08:01PM (#38373129)
That is a very new definition created by the woke left to justify being racist against white people. Pretty much only they believe it.
Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by zmgsabst on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @12:29AM (#38375058)
Institutional racism happens against white people — and denying that is supporting racism, even by your modern definition meant to minimize the on-going racism of the Democratic Party.

Eg, this racist policy by Democrats.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-farmers-loan-forgiveness-...

Democrats are also systemically racist to Asians such as at Harvard and UNC.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/20-1199_hgdj.pdf

I’d encourage you to stop taking your talking points from KKK meetings about how you’re virtuous for engaging in race-based discrimination.

Your modern apologetics for bigotry are as vapid as 1920s Klansmen talking about “protecting their community”.

Re:My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up by Always_Anon on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @12:32PM (#38462307)
1930s Europe:

"you can’t be racist against Jewish people. the definition of racism centers on power not the tone of dermis. read some different books (Mein Kampf, The International Jew) and open up that independent thinking some."

Pat yourself on the back I guess. Your blind hatred of White people has caused you to use literal Nazi rhetoric.