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Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by endisneigh on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:27AM (#38347663)
This entire thing is absolutely inane. This tweet is confirmation these people have no idea what they’re doing. Incredible.

If nothing else I’m glad to be above to witness this absurdity live.

This is the sort of thing where if it were a subplot in a book I’d say the writing is bad.

Ironically they would’ve had a better outcome if they just asked GPT-4 and followed its advice.

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by Elextric on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:42AM (#38347882)
The last point is indeed true. It's quite mind-boggling to me.
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by abkolan on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:38AM (#38347813)
> This is the sort of thing where if it were a subplot in a book I’d say the writing is bad.

Absolutely, closes the book this sort of stuff doesn't happen in real life.

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by Aeolun on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:11AM (#38349902)
That’s how you know it’s real. Too crazy for a book.
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by hef19898 on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:58AM (#38348150)
A story arc like this propqbly wouldn't have made it into Silicon Valley, the show, for being to exagerated and unrealistic.
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by seydor on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:01AM (#38348207)
At least can I have the movie rights?
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by adverbly on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:10AM (#38348378)
> This entire thing is absolutely inane. This tweet is confirmation these people have no idea what they’re doing. Incredible.

Want to know a dirty secret?

Nobody knows what they're doing.

Some think they do - but don't. (idiots)

Some know they don't - but act like they do. (cons)

And some know they don't - and are honest about it. (children)

Pick your poison, but we all suck in different ways - and usually in a different way based on our background.

Business people who are the best in the world tend to be cons.

Technical people who are the best tend to be children.

You get a culture clash between these two, and it is especially bad when you see someone from one background operate in the opposing domain using their background's cultural norm. So when Ilya runs business like a child. Or when Elon hops on an internal call with the twitter engineering team plus geohot and starts trying to confidently tell them about problems with a system that he knows nothing about.

Sure makes for great entertainment though!

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by fl7305 on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:32AM (#38348804)
> Want to know a dirty secret? > Nobody knows what they're doing.

There is a famous quote from the 1600s:

"An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur"

"Do you not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?"

The context is that the son was preparing to participate in high level diplomacy and worried about being out of his league, and the quote is from his father, an elder statesman.

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by salamandersss on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:00AM (#38349214)
I love this quote, and suspect the lack of wisdom was referring to wisdom to be a good steward of the public resources rather than their infinite wisdom in finding cunning and deceptive ways to plunder it.
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by jrajav on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:09AM (#38349876)
No, even this is just a darkly comforting illusion.

We like to feel that we as a species are still in control. That yes, we are gutting and destroying natural earth, complicit with modern slavery and war, and that's all terrible and we should do our best to stop it. BUT - at the very least, those bastards at the top know what they're doing when it comes to making money, so at least we'll have a stellar economy and rapid technological advancement, despite all that.

The painful truth here being that no, there's no cunning. There's no brutal optimization. Any value created and technological progress made is mostly incidental, mostly down to people at the bottom working hard just to survive, and a few good ideas here and there. The ones at the top are mostly just lucky and along for the ride, just as bumbling and lost as the rest of us when it comes to global happenings or even just successfully interacting with others.

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by singularity2001 on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:18AM (#38348542)
what about those who think they know but in truth they don't? "humans"?
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by civilitty on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:03AM (#38349238)
"Human" and "idiot" are synonyms.
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by viktree on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:17PM (#38350854)
See

> Some think they do - but don't. (idiots)

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by asimovfan on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:17AM (#38348535)
Buddhas know what they are doing
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by jareklupinski on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:15AM (#38349361)
> Some think they do - but don't. (idiots)

Pioneers

> Some know they don't - but act like they do. (cons)

The "Grease"

> And some know they don't - and are honest about it. (children)

Dreamers

To finish out your square, I think the best extrapolation would fit a "Home Team" that maintains the energy needed by the other three to do their thing :)

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by BaculumMeumEst on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:31AM (#38349503)
"Nobody really knows what they're doing" is a cope that will keep you mediocre forever.

There are absolutely people who know what they are doing.

https://twitter.com/awesomekling/status/1723257710848651366

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by 28304283409234 on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:07AM (#38349855)
> There are absolutely people who know what they are doing.

I am sure there are. But few and far between. And rarely are they in positions of power in my experience.

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by subsistence234 on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:07PM (#38350655)
that tweet would be more at home on a linkedin page.
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by adverbly on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:26PM (#38351040)
Lets talk definitions. Here was mine:

Knowing what you are doing: accurate mental model

The author here is talking about mindset and confidence - not "understanding" persay. Source:

> For me, it was extremely humbling to work together with far more competent engineers at Apple.

Having a mindset that "some people are way more competent than me" is talking about humility and growth mindsets - different concept than mental models. I fully agree with the author here - a growth mindset is useful! But that's a different thing from saying that some people actually have accurate mental models of the important complex systems underpinning the world.

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by defen on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:19AM (#38348560)
> This tweet is confirmation these people have no idea what they’re doing.

This is not an original point by me - I've seen multiple people make similar comments on here over the weekend - but these are the people who think they are best qualified to prevent an artificial superintelligence from destroying humanity, and they can't even coordinate the actions of a few intelligent humans.

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by subsistence234 on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:12PM (#38350741)
>these are the people who think they are best qualified to prevent an artificial superintelligence from destroying humanity

do they believe that?

they happen to be the ones who can pull the brakes in order to allow someone on earth the chance to prevent it.

if they don't pull the brakes and if humankind is unlucky that superintelligence emerges quickly, then it doesn't matter whether or not anyone on earth can figure out alignment, nobody has the chance to try.

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by fl7305 on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:39AM (#38348913)
> Ironically they would’ve had a better outcome if they just asked GPT-4 and followed its advice.

I just tried, and GPT-4 gave me a professional and neutrally worded press release like you pointed out.

More realistically, this is why you have highly paid PR consultants. Right now, every tweet and statement should go through one.

That doesn't look like it's happening. What's next?

"I'm sorry you feel you need an apology from me"?

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by Towaway69 on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:47AM (#38349050)
> Ironically they would’ve had a better outcome if they just asked GPT-4 and followed its advice.

Perhaps they did but it was hallucinating at the time? /s?

Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by CSMastermind on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:06PM (#38350638)
It's a bit scary that there are people who think they can align a super intelligence but couldn't forecast the outcome of their own actions 3 days into the future.
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by subsistence234 on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:09PM (#38350687)
they're not sure whether they can align super intelligence, they're sure that somebody needs to figure out how to align super intelligence before it emerges.
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by razodactyl on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:08PM (#38372548)
I hate how reasonable this statement is.... 2 years ago you would be dismissed as an idiot.
Re:I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions by razodactyl on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:09PM (#38372561)
I still can't believe there's a computer program with more logic and restraint that the majority of humanity and even worse it can call the right shots a non-negligible percent of the time.