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Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by growse on Friday November 17, 2023 @10:47AM (#38305162)
> B: Be clearly labelled, in its public-facing information, as being offered as-is, without any implied updates or future development.

So if I had a text file in the root of my repo that said:

  THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW.  EXCEPT WHEN OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES PROVIDE THE PROGRAM "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU.  SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION.
Would that be sufficient?
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by teddyh on Friday November 17, 2023 @10:54AM (#38305259)
That text does not disclaim support, security bugfixes, and future development. On the contrary, all three of those things are probably either heavlily implied or outright stated to be available on the project web site.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by growse on Friday November 17, 2023 @11:02AM (#38305367)
You and I are reading "SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION." very differently.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by teddyh on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:26PM (#38307741)
At best, that only covers bug fixes. And, as I said, bug fixes are usually implied to be available in future releases.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by andrewjl on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:43PM (#38309931)
> At best, that only covers bug fixes. And, as I said, bug fixes are usually implied to be available in future releases

Can you explain how you got to that interpretation from that phrasing?

> SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION.

And how is future development and / or support not covered under servicing of that clause?

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by teddyh on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:55PM (#38310165)
Fixing defects is a different activity from support and future development, no?
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by andrewjl on Friday November 17, 2023 @08:42PM (#38313802)
Why is that distinction important? Especially in light of the first sentence of the paragraph that sentence is embedded in.

> THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by infamouscow on Friday November 17, 2023 @11:28AM (#38305761)
It also doesn't disclaim the author from writing you a check out of the good will of their heart.

I don't understand what's so difficult to understand. It's like everyone has been captured by a machine that will conjure up the most mystifying reasoning to suit a predetermined conclusion that was never true to begin with.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by teddyh on Friday November 17, 2023 @02:25PM (#38308723)
> * It also doesn't disclaim the author from writing you a check out of the good will of their heart.*

Nobody expects that. But people do reasonably expect a project to recieve updates, security fixes, and new releases.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by infamouscow on Friday November 17, 2023 @04:29PM (#38310651)
I'm not disagreeing with you, you're just wrong.

It's not reasonable to expect a project to receive updates, security fixes, and new releases for software projects the author put on the Internet explicitly with a license saying it's warrantied for no purpose.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by teddyh on Friday November 17, 2023 @04:41PM (#38310846)
I was going to present a fair rebuttal, but you’ve just convinced me that it’s unreasonable for you to expect any answer from me in this debate.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by infamouscow on Friday November 17, 2023 @06:00PM (#38311833)
There's nothing to debate.

Your starting point is to selectively ignore parts of the authors explicitly chosen license.

It's sophistry.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by radiator on Friday November 17, 2023 @02:05PM (#38308368)
I think it is too long.