We are a small startup using Zoho and Notion (for developeras and knowledge base). We like Zoho. Whenever we felt like we need a solution now for some new requirement, they have it!

Some of their apps are very good like Books, Expense, Sign, Drive and Write, most are good enough and a few need more work (calendar, booking, and meet). When you need help there is always a person to talk to and they are pretty fast in support.

In dollar pricing, they are very cheap, but in India, they are still on pricey side. But worth every rupee we spend on them. Zoho CEO is bit of a character!

Another vote for Zoho.

What we like is the ability for every email user to be on a different plan, the savings really added up compared to what Google wanted.

Third vote for Zoho. Just got tired of the existential dread of depending on a company that clearly does not give a damn about SMB.

Firefox has lost about 60 million users since Chrome announced Manifest v3: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity

Extra credit: compare and contrast with the graph of Baker’s compensation as CEO

Term project: draw Sundar Pichai's total comp over the graph of Baker's comp without using a log scale.

Google is much larger than Chrome, Mozilla isn't much larger than Firefox.

According to this blog announcement, [1] Manifest 3 was announced on Nov 9th 2020 which had ~223M Firefox users and the last avaiable data says that on Nov 5th there is a ~187M users. This about ~36M not 60M.

[1] https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/intro/

I'm going off of this story: https://9to5google.com/2019/01/22/google-chrome-break-ad-blo...

That's alarming on its own, but I don't think the point of announcement of Mv3 is all that relevant, 99.9% of users aren't going to change their browser until they absolutely have to because they don't know what "Manifest v3" is, much less what it means for them.

Because the MPL/GPL is super restrictive if you’re trying to build any kind of sustainable business directly from Firefox code. Nothing big tech scale, but even just attempting to put food on the table with it risks lawsuits.

Can you give some more details?

You can't restrict what any for-profit entity does with your source code. You have to give it away for free to be in compliance with the license.

I switched to 95% firefox in 2021. I needed ad block on my phone browser due to some awful (but necessary) sites. I still use gmail for my main email and use other google-specific apps in my browser/phone. So I keep a chrome browser installed on my PC with my main google account logged in. I only use that for google stuff though. All other browsing is done in firefox. It's worked out great for me.

Why use Chrome for Google apps? I use firefox for google and it works fine.

Microsoft 365.

You can’t be serious.

A lot of people use it But if I wanted MS, we would have started on MS instead of Google Suite. Yeah, it's out there, but I agree with you, not a trustworthy option.