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Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by hbn on Thursday November 16, 2023 @02:39PM (#38294343)
Yup. The shaming campaigns are just a way to play the moral high ground in their effort to replace an actual messaging standard with their own proprietary service.

SMS is certainly long overdue to be replaced, but I don't want it replaced with a Google service. Hopefully the iPhone adoption will be some incentive for carriers to implement RCS properly.

Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by lxgr on Thursday November 16, 2023 @02:42PM (#38294395)
I'm afraid that the only incentive for carriers to invest anything into RCS would be being able to charge for it or use it as a way to lock in their customers.

As antiquated as SMS is, at least all carriers support it, and people largely don't need to worry about their existing conversation threads being interrupted when they switch carriers.

I believe that that's not true for RCS at least for group conversations.

Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by kelnos on Thursday November 16, 2023 @10:28PM (#38299121)
I don't really care if the shaming was done in good or bad faith. At the end of the day, I'm an Android user in a sea of iPhone users, and I'm tired of the fact that our default communication mode has to be SMS or MMS. If this fixes that problem, I don't quite care how we got here.
Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by izacus on Friday November 17, 2023 @05:07AM (#38301573)
It's kind of bizarre that people here would rather have shitty experience talking to their friends just to defend the honor megacorporations.

Apple and Google ARE NOT PEOPLE. They do NOT HAVE FEELINGS you need to defend. Jesus.

Being able to send a rich message from iPhone to Android and back (including location, pictures, videos) is really not something that will cause you pain and Apple won't lash out and punish you for it.

Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by randomdata on Friday November 17, 2023 @09:57AM (#38304412)
> Apple and Google ARE NOT PEOPLE.

That's incorrect. Apple here refers to a group of people, not the fruit. Google here too refers to a group of people, not the software that provides search features.

> They do NOT HAVE FEELINGS you need to defend.

Their feelings need to be defended as much as any other person. Which, logically, is not at all, but as you are defending your own feelings here what is logical is already violated, so...

Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by izacus on Friday November 17, 2023 @12:03PM (#38306352)
Let's use the term "corporate entity" instead of "group of people". Because corporate entities do not have human emotions or human properties and actively work on suppressing them to generate (or extract) value.
Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by randomdata on Friday November 17, 2023 @02:57PM (#38309129)
A 'corporate entity' is just a group of people. Those people absolutely have emotions.
Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by dragonwriter on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:02PM (#38309218)
Yes, but the corporate entity does not; the (possibly contradictory) emotions of the people who have some role in a corporation are not features of the corporate entity.
Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by randomdata on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:07PM (#38309294)
Yes, but the corporate entity is not a thing in and of itself. It is just a language device used in communication to identify the actual thing: People.
Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by dragonwriter on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:10PM (#38309326)
> Yes, but the corporate entity is just another way to say group of people

No, its not.

Its more like a grouping of a subset of the actions of a group of people in some contexts, and a shared subset of the interests of a different (narrower, but overlapping) group of people in others.

But its not generally simply a way of referencing a group of people.

Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by randomdata on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:12PM (#38309359)
Right. Like you say, a group of people. Now, why do you think those people are void of feelings?
Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by dragonwriter on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:28PM (#38309613)
> Like you say, a group of people.

No, that's exactly what I said it was not.

A subset of the actions of a group of people, or a subset of the shared interests of a group of people, is not a group of people.

Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by randomdata on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:32PM (#38309674)
You suggested that is what it is not, but then went on to say that is what it is. You just did it again.
Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by dragonwriter on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:35PM (#38309738)
No, I didn't, but if you can't understand language enough to recognize that there is no point in further discussion.
Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by randomdata on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:41PM (#38309886)
You mentioned there is a subset, but the subsets described is still represented by the group of people. You can try and twist language all you want, but there is no avoiding the fact that a corporation is just people. If people somehow magically disappeared, the corporate entity would disappear at the exact same time.
Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by dragonwriter on Friday November 17, 2023 @04:27PM (#38310624)
> You mentioned there is a subset, but the subsets described is still a way to identify the group of people.

A subset of the actions or interests, not a subset of the group of people (the latter would, indeed, be just a different group of people, but isn't what I said.)

> If people somehow magically disappeared, the corporate entity would disappear at the exact same time – it's the same thing.

No, its not the same thing.

If North America disappeared, all the piles of dog feces in North America would also disappear, but the piles of dog feces are not the same thing as North America.

Re:Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next... by randomdata on Saturday November 18, 2023 @11:48AM (#38321451)
> A subset of the actions or interests

Direction is the word you are struggling to find, but it is the direction of the group of people. You have not added anything drawing attention to this so-called subset. It changes nothing about the discussion. It's just silly wordplay to divert our attention from your grievous error at the onset.