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Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by kulahan on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @01:39PM (#38280549)
I've been very interested in the food industry, and I think the reason for this is multi-faceted.

First, a lot of English-speaking countries place lower importance on veggies. We got calcium from milk and cheese, so we didn't need to learn how to cook well with lots of dark leafy greens, as an example.

Second, European meals tend to focus heavily on a main and some side dishes, but a TON of countries simply do one dish for the whole meal. You're not trying to think of ways to cook squash, because the dinner is squash.

Finally (there are more, but I don't want to get too crazy in the comments), European cooking tends to focus more on using a wide variety of ingredients. In contrast, you'll find a lot of SE Asian cooking uses many of the same ingredients, but they prepare the food in vastly different ways, leading to some completely different dishes. This means that they naturally have a huge repertoire of ways to modify their veggies to fit any meal.

I have no real point, I just never get to talk about this stuff and I find it really interesting. If I was wrong about anything, please correct me below.

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by reactordev on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @02:35PM (#38281303)
>"focus heavily on a main and some side dishes"

Because traditionally they were served "courses". However, it's all biryani in the belly. I think the old ways of serving a main with sides is still a tip to that era when it was plated separately. I'm ok with having it all mixed together so long as the flavors complement. I don't want a steak, cubed, mixed with my veggies and mashed potatoes, all in a bowl. Some things should be separate, some things are ok being together/combined. Western style cooking has been dominated by French Cuisine and traditional Countryside cooking. Only within the last 30-50 years have they started branching out into Asian or South American dishes.

Its way more approachable today than it ever has been with YouTube videos, online blog recipes, availability of supplies.

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by hammock on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:30PM (#38283527)
>I'm ok with having it all mixed together so long as the flavors complement. I don't want a steak, cubed, mixed with my veggies and mashed potatoes, all in a bowl.

Huh? They don't complement??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherd%27s_pie

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by reactordev on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:36PM (#38283587)
You win the prize for readership. Yes, shepherds pie was exactly what I was referring to. You can keep your meat pie.
Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by 8ytecoder on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:48PM (#38282251)
On the green leafy veggies - my mom cooks like 7/8 different varieties in as many different way. Each green tastes different and they’re cooked differently. The closest equivalent to spinach for example is steamed and made into a soup. I could just eat rice and that - even as a kid. There’s one that’s bitter and it’s cooked with a lentil. It actually tastes good. Another one that’s sour and is added to a spicy curry. And so on. (But afaik none of these are available any more)
Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by JohnFen on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @04:04PM (#38282464)
> a TON of countries simply do one dish for the whole meal. You're not trying to think of ways to cook squash, because the dinner is squash.

But even if the dinner is squash, you still want to think of different ways to prepare it, don't you?

This is how I, in the US, was fed while growing, and is how I do things to this day. I didn't realize that there was a cultural variation on this (or that my habit wasn't the common case in my own culture!)

Today I learned...

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by el_benhameen on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @04:29PM (#38282796)
I don’t have anything to add right now, but I found this to be very insightful and not at all too crazy. Thanks for posting.
Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by crazygringo on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @04:58PM (#38283148)
> but a TON of countries simply do one dish for the whole meal

Can you provide some examples? I can't think of any.

It's not Latin/South American, it's not European, it's not Chinese, it's not Japanese, it's not like anywhere I've been in Africa, and it doesn't match my knowledge of India or the Middle East.

Nor can I imagine any country where "dinner is squash" makes much sense. Squash has almost no calories, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to center a meal on.

Cuisines often have occasional meals that are complete enough to be eaten as a single dish -- some kind of protein-mixed-in-with-carbs like lasagna or paella or chicken stroganoff. But these seem to be exceptions in the cuisine, rather than the rule.

Could you elaborate with some specific countries where the one-dish pattern is the norm?

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by bigtunacan on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:07PM (#38283262)
Not parent, but as an example zucchini boats are pretty popular in my area of the Midwest as are stuffed peppers.

A zucchini boat is basically just zucchini stuffed with meat, cheese, tomato, onions, and spices. That's the whole meal. Stuffed peppers is basically the same thing, but with peppers instead of zucchini.

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by crazygringo on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:53PM (#38283715)
Oh for sure. I guess I think of both of those as being ground beef dishes rather than zucchini/pepper dishes. They're kind of like hamburgers but swapping out the bun for a vegetable. Maybe it depends on your ratios?
Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by scottlamb on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @07:25PM (#38284341)
Is the "center of the meal" the part that provides the most volume and mass, or is it the part with the most calories? My lunch today was a full pound of bok choy (raw weight), 2 Tbsp avocado oil, 4 oz of steak, and 1 oz of cheese. kulahan and bigtunacan might say bok choy was my meal, but consistent with your observation, it provided only 9% of the calorie content.
Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by bigtunacan on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @09:12PM (#38285142)
I could see that. We change the fillings to get more variety. One time it might be ground beef, next time chorizo or ground turkey.
Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by foodhere on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @09:09PM (#38285121)
I grew up on Lebanese food. While in a restaurant you may have many side dishes, at home it was more usual to have one dish. That said, going to a less fancy restaurant, it wouldn't be weird to grab a plate with nothing else, like at home.

Some examples of things we'd eat as the entire meal:

* Fatteh/tisi'yeh, a dish made with a layer of bread, then boiled chickpeas, then yoghurt, and topped with some toasted pine nuts, melted ghee, paprika. Sometimes in a restaurant, this is part of a larger spread of food.

* Any variety of kebbeh (there are many). We'd eat this with bread. In a restaurant, kebbeh would not be the singular dish.

* Various things referred "tabakh" (lit. cooking lol) which we'd usually eat with rice or burghal (crushed wheat) cooked with vermicelli noodles. You can then say that's multiple dishes, but it's kind of like bread. Examples: bazala (peas, carrots, maybe potatoes, coriander in a tomato sauce) on rice, fasulya (white beans in a tomato sauce) on rice or burghal, al-asiyeh (potatoes, carrots, corriander stew) on burghal, spanegh (spinach, minced meat, pine nuts) with rice, and many others. Most of this is sometimes cooked with diced lamb of shredded chicken.

* Lahm bi ajeen (minced meat cooked with onions and molasses on dough with pinenuts) would be sufficient a meal, sometimes perhaps with a quick salad. Not a complete meal in a restaurant typically.

* We were more than happy to throw diced lamb (skewered with some onions), kafta, or chicken on the barbecue and eat with bread, maybe a garlic dip for chicken, occasionally with a salad, occasionally throwing some potatoes or similar vegetables on the barbecue. In a restaurant, a barbecue dish would have many sides.

* We'd pan fry some diced lamb in ghee, drizzle some pomegranate molasses and eat with bread.

* Pan fried potatoes with eggs on top, eaten with bread.

* Pasta cooked in yoghurt + coriander and garlic.

* A leafy green like spinach called sili', not sure what it is in english, cooked with black eye beans, then a squeeze of lemon and eaten with bread.

* Foule which is just fava beans stewed, we'd eat with bread. Squeeze of lemon. Maybe some pickles, olives, tomato, and cucumber on the side. In a restaurant, this'd probably be part of a wider breakfast spread.

All this is to say, it was normal to serve food from a single pot or tray and eat with utensils or bread, or from two pots placing rice/burghal on the plate then scooping the "tabakh" on top.

For us bread is very normal throughout the day, it is thin, we'd rip off a bit to grab food, not very heavy. Modern bakeries make bread looking like https://www.yum.com.au/d-lebanese-bread-bag-x-6.html

All said, my parents grew up poor, so that background could reflect our norms. (edit) We also did not grow up around much family, so large gatherings were uncommon for us, which differs from typical Lebanese culture.

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by dghughes on Thursday November 16, 2023 @04:49PM (#38296046)
All those look very familiar to me. There been a Lebanese community in my small Canadian city for years some as far back as 1900 others from 1970s, 1908s depending on what cause them to come here.

I knew a couple from south Lebanon "Si and Sue" Haddad. Si would make me cardamom flavoured coffee and some baklava. Sue made the food eggplant always seemed to be on the go.

Very friendly and a very wide range of food, a great culture to grow up in.

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by byuroscope on Saturday November 18, 2023 @04:25PM (#38324632)
>depending on what cause them to come here

There was literally a 15-year long civil war in Lebanon from mid-70s till 1990

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by kulahan on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:29PM (#38307791)
If you go to Ethiopia, for instance, it's very common to have one dish that everyone eats from. Also common in the Middle East. You'll see it in some Chinese communities, but it tends to be more rural - once a nation develops and they enter a more globalized market, this tendency seems to fall off.

To be clear, I didn't mean that it was literally a single dish, I meant that instead of trying to compliment your meal properly with a matching veggie, because you're only making one thing. As long as it all makes sense together in the bowl/plate/hand, it works.

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by goodbyesf on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @08:53PM (#38285021)
> First, a lot of English-speaking countries place lower importance on veggies.

Which ones? In the US, we are told to eat our veggies because they are good for you. The problem in the US is that something forced women into the workplace and families are resorting to easy processed meals like microwave dinners, fast food, etc.

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by JCharante on Thursday November 16, 2023 @06:14AM (#38288178)
Conversely I found it way easier to eat "healthy" in the US due to the popularity of flash frozen vegetables.

In college I would buy a bag of pre-cut flash frozen vegetables suitable for a stir fry and just dump that into the wok and throw some sauce & protein.

Abroad where people eat fresh vegetables I had the habbit of ordering food delivery everyday because I'm not going to waste 1 hour of my life every day washing & cutting vegetables and the knife and the cutting board etc.

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by RamblingCTO on Thursday November 16, 2023 @03:09AM (#38286896)
I'd like to provide a counterargument to:

> Second, European meals tend to focus heavily on a main and some side dishes, but a TON of countries simply do one dish for the whole meal.

A ton of German cuisine, especially historically is either Soup or "Eintopf" (literally one-pot). You might add bread, but the dish stands by itself. Especially in the winter time, this is something people still do a lot. Still looking forward to kale (Grühnkohl, or where I'm from: Braunkohl). I still love stuff like Schmohrkohl and Grühnkohl. Not so much the carrot and potato soup and things like that.

PS: I'd consider "Auflauf" (casserole?) to be a one-pot dish as well.

Re:Iowa teen grew 7k pounds of veggies, then gave them all away by just_boost_it on Thursday November 16, 2023 @10:24AM (#38290678)
What's your source for this? European countries are quite different from each other, and I'm wondering if your experience was only in restaurants while travelling (which is a very different experience to what most people eat every day at home).