Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by theideaofcoffee on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:08PM
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As much as I hate to admit it, I've done exactly that and passed the audit. Certainly says a lot about the auditors...
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by ryanianian on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:11PM
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It's basically fizzbuzz. If you have a WAF, it proves you know how to add a WAF. Presumably even one you know how to configure when security needs change.
Compliance auditors are mostly there to underwrite posture, not actual risk.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by SoftTalker on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:26PM
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Auditors pretty much only certify that you have told them you are doing what you are supposed to be doing. They are not logging in to your servers and verifying that an AWF is running in front of your web server. They are not probing your network from the outside to see if an AWF is blocking their activity.
Just as financial auditors are only confirming that your financial statements match what your accounting department tells them.
If you lie to your auditors, there's a good chance they won't catch it because that's not what they are looking for.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by xyzzy123 on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:39PM
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It's not a lie! The WAF is there, it's attached and it does absolutely nothing with unmatched performance and scalability. We tell the auditor this.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by kccqzy on Monday November 13, 2023 @06:38PM
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You can lie to these auditors, but you can't lie to pentesters. These people on the other hand are designed to probe your network from the outside.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by PrimeMcFly on Monday November 13, 2023 @07:12PM
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I've audited a lot of networks for compliance, and we always actually check that the protections that are meant to be in place are in place. I don't think I've done an audit where I wasn't using nmap to some degree.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by nullindividual on Monday November 13, 2023 @05:06PM
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In my experience with SoX, the auditors are very junior fresh out of college. They check boxes and move on.
> Certainly says a lot about the auditors...
Security auditors are (quite literally) accountants.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by Spivak on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:16PM
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It's gotta be my favorite AWS service for this reason alone. It's almost useless but that's a feature not a bug. They knew exactly their market.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by ForkMeOnTinder on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:22PM
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It pairs well with the checkbox in S3 that you can tick to enable encryption with no other changes to your application.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by meepmorp on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:48PM
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Hey, if someone breaks into an AWS data center and steals some s3 drives, you're totally in the clear.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by rigelina on Monday November 13, 2023 @05:46PM
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You'd think that, but I had an auditor that had guidance requesting confirmation of security cameras on the servers. They wanted to drive to the AWS data center to see the cameras. If the drives got stolen, you'd better make sure AWS shares that video with you.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by meepmorp on Monday November 13, 2023 @07:25PM
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Ok, but what if someone bypasses the cameras on your servers with looped footage? Did the auditor think about having security cameras on the security cameras?
Amateurs.
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by montroser on Monday November 13, 2023 @08:24PM
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Have they never seen Speed?
Re:Stop deploying web application firewalls
by xer0x on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:18PM
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Awesome! I feel so much better about using this to pass an audit.
Honestly AWS WAF is perfect for this. It's not a great WAF but it is ideal if you need "pretend to have a WAF" as a service so you can tick the box.