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Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by panarky on Monday November 13, 2023 @01:52PM (#38253682)
> brief ask ... imprecise ask ... any ask ... receiving an ask ... clarify that ask

It's curious how "ask" has transformed from an ancient verb into a modern, trendy and awkward noun.

According to the OED, nounification began with colloquial usage in Australia.

https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?q=ask

We all know that language is a constantly changing biosocial cognitive artifact, so there really are no rules.

But this usage grates like chewing sand, especially when we have perfectly good synonyms just sitting there, unused.

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by 6031769 on Monday November 13, 2023 @02:00PM (#38253789)
Just remember that the noun "ask" begins with a T.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by panarky on Monday November 13, 2023 @02:07PM (#38253888)
And that ancient and perfectly good noun has transmogrified into a modern, trendy and awkward corpspeak verb with nauseating echos of milspeak.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by jkubicek on Monday November 13, 2023 @02:48PM (#38254426)
At one point, I was fastidiously replacing the word "ask" with "request" in every Google Doc I had edit access too.

I've since given up, it's just too overwhelming. For every "ask" I squash, there's 5 more being thrown at me in Slack and emails and Google Docs and Slides.

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by panzagl on Monday November 13, 2023 @02:54PM (#38254498)
You can join me on my crusade changing 'utilize' to 'use'.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by panarky on Monday November 13, 2023 @03:01PM (#38254592)
From an exhausted and humiliated veteran of the failed struggle against the verbification of "impact", you have my respect and sympathy.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by gmane on Monday November 13, 2023 @03:09PM (#38254728)
I think that one is a direct result of people being pedants about the difference between effect and affect which made a lot of people try to avoid them completely.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by sneak on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:57PM (#38255933)
My favorite is that affect and effect are also sometimes a noun and verb, respectively.

Knowing how to use all 4 (affect noun, affect verb, effect noun, effect verb) correctly feels like a superpower.

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by MrVandemar on Monday November 13, 2023 @06:16PM (#38256674)
You're fighting the good fight.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by scarygliders on Monday November 13, 2023 @03:56PM (#38255272)
That is nothing compared to the cringe I experience whenever I see people type "lead" when it really called for "led"; "He lead them into battle" instead of "He led them into battle." - I see that a lot these days.

Oh and speaking of "a lot", it makes me sad every time I see people using "alot". And that non-word gets used increasingly often. It's not like it's a typo or autocorrection. A lot of people unironically type "alot". Ugh!

EDIT: Lol, I received a downvote. I found the "alot" user. Or the "lead instead of led" user! Or perhaps I scored a double strike ;)

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by saghm on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:14PM (#38255475)
An old but good resource on coping with "alots": https://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-bette...
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by eternityforest on Monday November 13, 2023 @06:37PM (#38256844)
If you ever go led climbing at night while listening to Led Zeppelin, you will probably want to bring a lead light, but not one powered by led assed sells, as that would way alot, probably to much.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by Larrikin on Monday November 13, 2023 @08:01PM (#38257504)
A lot is annoying to swipe type on a phone. I know alot is not in the dictionary, but it will always be one of the first words I purposefully add to my user dictionary, right after all the cuss words.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by sneak on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:59PM (#38255949)
I also find the usage annoying, but I made an executive decision to overrule my emotions on the matter because simplifying the common usage of the world’s lingua franca by having verbs do double duty is, in the long run, fine and good and useful. We already do it for “drive” and “run”. More gerunds is a good thing.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by elicksaur on Monday November 13, 2023 @07:27PM (#38257250)
“request” is a word that can be a noun or a verb. Why can “request” be a noun, but “ask” should not?
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by kwyjibo1230 on Monday November 13, 2023 @03:04PM (#38254657)
Agree, it's a little grating on the ears, but, language change is part of life! There are examples out there of modern nouns that used to be something else, but because the change happened so long ago, we're no longer pained to hear it changing.

For example, "Flirt" used to be a verb that meant to make a brisk, jerky motion. Now it is either a verb, to playfully act attracted to someone one, or a noun, a person who flirts.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/flirt

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by dminvs on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:38PM (#38255733)
And "action" has made the reverse transition...

"Could you action this ask from Bob in Finance?"

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by oblio on Monday November 13, 2023 @05:48PM (#38256441)
Or the ever annoying "learning" instead of "lesson".

"Key learnings this quarter"...

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by caseyohara on Monday November 13, 2023 @07:28PM (#38257256)
Same with "invite" used as a noun in place of "invitation".
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by magarnicle on Monday November 13, 2023 @07:35PM (#38257296)
In Australia I've only ever heard it used in the specific phrase "That's a big ask".
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by proc0 on Monday November 13, 2023 @07:47PM (#38257384)
I feel it's used mostly as corporate jargon. "the ask is moving forward we will need to increase impact by taking initiative, driving solutions, and delivering value to our customers."