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Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by huytersd on Sunday November 12, 2023 @09:46PM (#38246311)
Gold jewelry is very easily an investment. The artisan work on them only increases the cost by 10-15% on the underlying value of the gold (at least in India).
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by defrost on Sunday November 12, 2023 @09:55PM (#38246367)
Gold, just gold, is an investment simply because people value it - it's a shiny noble metal that stays "pure", ergo percieved value.

From a resource utility PoV it costs more to source than copper or aluminium which are nearly as conductive - so they win out for electronic and power transmision applications.

There are applications where gold is the clear winner - "forever" circuits and switches that are worth the extra cost to have contacts that never corrode, space tech, etc.

But the reality is that the vast vast majority of gold mined gets turned into bullion and horded (my precious!!) or played with a little and worn as jewellry.

I've been in and around the gold mining industry for decades, I'm not a hater - but it's easily one of the most valuable useless things we spend vast amounts of energy on gathering.

Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by huytersd on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:12PM (#38246463)
Depends what culture you’re in. Work gold jewelry gives you a lot of social cache in India so it is worn all the time. Additionally it’s used as a mode to transfer wealth across generations with jewelry giving mandated in the cultural milieu.
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by defrost on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:27PM (#38246537)
That's pretty much the point I made,

if you're part of a culture that values gold then gold has percieved value .. otherwise it's not especially useful

(in that other elements have similar properties and are cheaper to bulk source, with few applications that benefit uniquely from gold).

'Useful' being the pragmatic sense, food, shelter, clothing are neccesary, concrete and steel are useful, copper is useful, gold is (mainly) hoarded and shown off.

Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by huytersd on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:44PM (#38246638)
Gold is somehow universally adored by humans. It’s not just the Indians, different, unconnected civilizations throughout history have given it a vaunted status in their society completely independently. Hence it is pragmatically a good store of value because it taps into a universal, instinctual appreciation for it.
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by bluGill on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:16PM (#38246484)
Copper is significantly more conductive than gold. Folklore holds a.myth that gold is really good, but basic physics disagrees.
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by defrost on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:32PM (#38246563)
It's not very significant (by most definitions of the word), a typical physics | engineering quote is:

    The electrical conductivity of copper is slightly higher at 5.96 x10^7 S/m than gold which is 4.11×10^7 S/m. More importantly is the lifespan of the two metals. Copper has a high oxidation level. So, if installed in an unstable environment (such as outside), it will fail sooner than gold.
They're close (which is how I misordered the two) with the corrosion Vs non corrosion of copper V. gold being a factor in switch contact lifespans - typically high copper alloys with lower oxidation rates are used.
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by bluGill on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:01AM (#38250919)
It is significant enough that you would need a thicker wire for many applications. Gold's corrosive properties are often useful and it conducts well enough, though even then gold is used as much because of "gold" when something else cheaper would work good enough.
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by bombcar on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:34PM (#38246576)
Gold-plated connectors don’t oxidize- which is a benefit over copper alone.
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by flavius29663 on Monday November 13, 2023 @12:41AM (#38247343)
Gold does not corrode, and can be formed into thinner parts.
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by rerdavies on Monday November 13, 2023 @03:22AM (#38248131)
And as an added bonus, copper jewelry turns your skin green!

/s

Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by twelve40 on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:44PM (#38246636)
Currently the US government holds 8,134 metric tons of gold in reserves. You can call it "hording" (whatever that means) but clearly someone thinks it's worth keeping half a trillion dollars worth of the country's money in it.
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by skellington on Sunday November 12, 2023 @11:12PM (#38246802)
Sure...maybe...if you believe that gold is actually there and who knows if it is.

But either way, 1/2 a trillion is just 1/8th of the yearly federal budget. Not sure it is an amount that matters much to the government.

Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by twelve40 on Monday November 13, 2023 @06:00AM (#38248951)
of course, pocket change, probably driven by lunatic sentiments from the centuries past.
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by selcuka on Sunday November 12, 2023 @11:11PM (#38246791)
> You can call it "hording" (whatever that means)

Isn't it "hoarding" (acquiring an excessive number of items and storing them in a chaotic manner)?

Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by twelve40 on Monday November 13, 2023 @06:00AM (#38248949)
i would imagine the most powerful democracy in the world would have a better approach to structuring the reserves than "storing them in a chaotic manner"?
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by somenameforme on Monday November 13, 2023 @01:19AM (#38247522)
Being a good store of value, is itself - a value. It's not entirely arbitrary because you need quite a lot of characteristics to make it fit. It needs to be relatively widespread to encourage widespread acceptance of its value (rather than just granting Goldland a defacto king-maker style monopoly on wealth, which nobody beside allies of Goldland would recognize), relatively scarce so you're not requiring hundreds of tons of it to cover even a moderate national level transaction, it needs to be safe to handle, stable, solid at any practical temperature, and somehow relatively easy to verify the authenticity of. I can't really think any other element that fits the bill as nicely as gold.

Put another way, if we look at all the parallel realities of Earth, even prior to the discovery of gold, I suspect the overwhelming majority of them would end up using it as a major store of value. It's just really perfect for it! We may even find alien civilizations, assuming a comparable elemental distribution to Earth, doing the same!

Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by busterarm on Sunday November 12, 2023 @09:52PM (#38246347)
The market for Cuban links can be significant.
Re:The Diamond World Takes Radical Steps to Stop a Pricing P... by Clamchop on Monday November 13, 2023 @01:08PM (#38253153)
That's a rather steep premium in my opinion and you'll also be penalized when you try to sell it, because small quantities, individual appraisal, and additional cost to the buyer if its fate is to be melted down and refined.

In exchange for all that, you get a physical object that can be lost, damaged, or stolen.

If you're going to invest in gold, it seems like a poor way to do it.