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Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by john-radio on Friday November 10, 2023 @10:34AM (#38220111)
I don't know whether Einstein meant "the intelligent few are more intelligent than the masses, collectively" or "individually," but it's not fair for you to say that one reading is "loose metaphor" while the other is completely straightforward; either interpretation is sensible.
Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by kspacewalk2 on Friday November 10, 2023 @10:41AM (#38220218)
One is completely straightforward whereas the other is ambiguous. Only one interpretation is sensible without making a big assumption about the author's views.
Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by Retric on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:02AM (#38220484)
Your “straightforward interpretation” hinges of what he means by “produce some thing valuable for the community.”

Did he mean valuable things like bread, or only extreme value like electrodynamics? Well he didn’t say “extreme value” and it’s easy to argue the character of productive members of society is above that of pickpockets so that fits.

So IMO a straightforward interpretation would be calling the great masses of humanity dumb rather than extolling the virtues of bakers.

Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by auggierose on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:06PM (#38221364)
In the lines before he mentioned flying and electric waves, so I think he means that. Bread would fall under commodities.

There is really only one way to read his message. Which is a good thing, given that it is intended to be transmitted across 5000 years.

Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by Retric on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:38PM (#38221858)
He calls out the lack of commodities as a problem to be addressed unlike flying which was a solved problem.

“everybody must live in fear of being eliminated from the economic cycle”

Thus emphasizing the critical nature of bakers.

Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by AlecSchueler on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:10PM (#38222312)
> There is really only one way to read his message.

This thread is a clear indicator that ther are multiple ways to read it. One may seem more valid than others but it's not at all unambiguous.

I'd love to know what the people in 5000 years, if there are any, project onto this. Maybe they'll refer back to this thread and fall into two major camps.

Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by auggierose on Saturday November 11, 2023 @01:14AM (#38228013)
No, what this thread shows is that however clear you express something, there will always be people refusing to understand it.
Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by mistermann on Saturday November 11, 2023 @10:30AM (#38231161)
Irony levels of this thread are approaching 9000.
Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by Aeolun on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:39AM (#38220987)
I don’t understand why the distinction matters?

The intelligent few will produce more novel ideas, combined or individually, than the masses.

Whom by definition produce nothing (at least nothing novel).

Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by epups on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:15PM (#38222381)
I think the distinction is that one interpretation is arguing that "truth by committee" is usually wrong, while the other is arguing for an elitist view where some people just carry all the weight.
Re:Albert Einstein in 1939 composed a message for the people... by mistermann on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:50PM (#38224344)
Technically, defining something as being true only sometimes makes it true in fact ("All bachelors are unmarried", for example), in other cases (like this one) it only causes it to appear true...but then, if one considers the theory that reality is equal to people's perception of it, it is usually a moot distinction ...but not always.