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Re:Dietary guidelines may soon warn against ultraprocessed f... by tedunangst on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @05:51PM (#38198384)
I think homemade jam would tick nearly all those boxes.
Re:Dietary guidelines may soon warn against ultraprocessed f... by GeoAtreides on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @05:58PM (#38198460)
Can you please expand on that? Because if I remember correctly, at least in Eastern Europe jam is made by boiling fruits with sugar, simmered down until it thickens. What boxes is exactly homemade jam ticking?
Re:Dietary guidelines may soon warn against ultraprocessed f... by abdullahkhalids on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @06:43PM (#38198884)
Indeed. If you don't add the sugar, its group 1: minimally processed. If you add industrially made sugar (a group 2 item), it becomes group 3: processed.
Re:Dietary guidelines may soon warn against ultraprocessed f... by marcus0x62 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @08:52PM (#38200002)
This commercial jam[0] is made with exactly the same ingredients as would be used to make home-made jam. It is Nova Group 4.

The problem with the group 4 definition is it is a mix of things that are genuinely harmful, things that are completely irrelevant to the health of a given food item, and broad, vague definitions that could be used to describe almost any prepared food item as “ultra-processed” if one were so inclined.

0 - https://world.openfoodfacts.org/product/0096619217939/organi...

Re:Dietary guidelines may soon warn against ultraprocessed f... by abdullahkhalids on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:08PM (#38200642)
I make jam at home. I usually just heat the fruit (strawberries, raspberries etc) alone, with not even added sugar. That's group 1. If I add sugar, it becomes group 3. If I did add pectin for some reason, it becomes group 4.

Yes, I agree that group 4 is very broad, but I think as an initial attempt its good. Breaking things down into further groups is going to confuse people a lot more, especially because there are no distinct categories here. Too much overlap. Just asking people to eat less of group 4 is a much more reasonable public health objective.

Re:Dietary guidelines may soon warn against ultraprocessed f... by marcus0x62 on Thursday November 09, 2023 @09:06PM (#38214231)
> I make jam at home. I usually just heat the fruit (strawberries, raspberries etc) alone, with not even added sugar.

You'll never guess what is extracted from the fruit when you do this.

Re:Dietary guidelines may soon warn against ultraprocessed f... by proc0 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @06:59PM (#38199027)
But nobody uses industrial chemicals and processes at home. That said, I would consider refined sugar as ultraprocessed, and homemade jam includes a lot of it.
Re:Dietary guidelines may soon warn against ultraprocessed f... by abdullahkhalids on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:10PM (#38199134)
Refined sugar is Group 2: Processed culinary ingredients [1], not group 4: ultraprocessed. It's preparation does not include any of the steps specified in my quote above.

[1] https://world.openfoodfacts.org/product/8850256100106/mitrph...

Re:Dietary guidelines may soon warn against ultraprocessed f... by proc0 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @09:21PM (#38200249)
Sure, but the natural next step after ultraprocessed is highly refined products like sugar and flour, which I know is so much of people's current diet but that's why everyone has health problems.
Re:Dietary guidelines may soon warn against ultraprocessed f... by marcus0x62 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @09:04PM (#38200107)
NOVA considers most homemade jams ultra-processed not because of sugar, which is widely understood and proven to be unhealthy, but because of the use of fruit pectin as a gelling agent.

The irony here is that the more processed pectins can be used to reduce the amount of sugar in homemade jams (while still maintaining a jam-like consistency.)