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For some sites, things are a lot worse. See, for example, Jonathan Corbet's report[0].

0 - https://social.kernel.org/notice/AqJkUigsjad3gQc664

Re:Functors, Applicatives, and Monads on Sunday March 30, 2025 @03:55PM (#43527054)
Model Context Protocol. It is a way to give an LLM access to an API. There's a lot of hype about it right now, and, thus, a great many half-baked articles floating around. https://www.anthropic.com/news/model-context-protocol
Re: on Saturday March 29, 2025 @08:58PM (#43520190)
As of Friday, district court judge has ruled Ms Ozturk cannot be deported without the approval of the court.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/detained-tufts-student...

What’s the alternative?

Some functional skills are rarer than others, some are simply harder to master than others, and some are both.

To me it would be unfair to force equal pay for very unequal work.

Re:The Origin of the Pork Taboo on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @04:46PM (#43417155)
I’m not a doctor, but some quick googling indicates that trichinosis symptoms start after a few days of being exposed to the worms, while scurvy symptoms show up after a few months of vitamin C deficiency[0].

I’m pretty sure I - as an ignorant person in this area - could figure out if people around me sometimes ate something, and then got sick within a few days, that maybe I shouldn’t eat that thing.

I doubt I’d be able to figure out that I should eat something on the basis of people getting sick after not eating a whole bunch of things for a few months.

0 - at least one source I found claimed scurvy symptoms could show up as soon as one month after “severe” vitamin C deficiency, but that “more noticeable symptoms would appear later.

Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @02:32PM (#43415674)
You like to make absolute statements like “always”, but I know of large organizations (Fortune 500) that use Proofpoint, but not Microsoft email security. And in endpoint, there are shops that license defender as part of an EA, but don’t use it - of course, those seats go into the Forrester figures that Microsoft likes to tout.
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @02:23PM (#43415589)
That’s great. For you. Most businesses don’t have the ability or desire to build every single security tool they use in-house or use open source for everything. So they buy commercial tools. Which are audited by third parties to give the companies that use the commercial tools some idea of how their data will be used.

If google wants to maintain those audit findings, which they’ll need to do to keep most of their customers, that’s going to limit the kind of data collection they can do. Unless, of course, you want to propose a new conspiracy theory (which I guess would be par for the course in this thread) that Google is going to lie to their auditors to get at that sweet, sweet data (most of which they already have for their GCP customers and don’t need to buy Wiz to obtain.)

Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @02:14PM (#43415481)
That is a tiny part of what those companies do and was mentioned nowhere in that post.

You’re responding to something that isn’t there.

Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @08:58AM (#43411292)
I understand those (I haven’t used them) to primarily be about software composition analysis. Wiz does that, but they are mainly known for Cloud Security Posture Management (the “you have an exposed S3 bucket”, “you have a workload with no inbound firewall”, “etc.”) and integrating things like SCA to increase alert fidelity (do you care as much that a workload has an inbound ACL allowing MongoDB connections from the Internet if the workload isn’t running MongoDB?)
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @08:54AM (#43411234)
This thread is talking about Wiz. The comment you responded to was about the fact that security company founders often have intelligence community backgrounds and/or come from adversary states (from a US/European perspective.) It had nothing to do with VPN.
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @08:47AM (#43411143)
> Microsoft is the Microsoft of the enterprise security market, more or less. They completely dominate email, largely dominate identity, have a plurality if not a majority on endpoint, but don't compete in network.

The most recent figures I’ve seen are that Microsoft has around 25% of the endpoint market[0], which is a plurality because the market is so fragmented. Proofpoint claims around 24% of the email security market[1].

The only security market you can say they “dominate” is identity, if you ignore the MFA market. AD is, at least, almost everywhere.

> This was a dedicated effort by CrowdStrike working with analysts back in 2017-2018.

That’s one interpretation of events. It’s also completely orthogonal to what I wrote.

0 - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2024/08/21/mic...

1 - https://www.proofpoint.com/us/blog/email-and-cloud-threats/p...

Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @08:44PM (#43407094)
Based on the exceptional level of ignorance and outright delusion in this thread, I'd rather not speculate. Easily 1/3 of the discussion is mired in conspiracy theories about Israel, and another 10 - 20% are people who's comments can be boiled down to "you know, I've never heard of this product/company/industry before, but, by God, the world needs to hear my hot take."
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @08:40PM (#43407056)
> The founders of CrowdStrike—George Kurtz, Dmitri Alperovitch, and Gregg Marston—do not have publicly documented personal connections to Israel. That's the first claim of yours I faield to verify so I won't bother with the rest.

I realize reading is a very difficult skill to master, but maybe -- just maybe -- you couldn't verify that "claim" because I never made it.

Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @07:51PM (#43406684)
Perhaps I should have been clearer, but especially compared to the rest of the enterprise tech market, security is unusually fragmented. There is no Microsoft or Cisco of the security market in the way those companies dominate the desktop operating system and core networking markets, respectively.

Analysts sometimes refer to the enterprise networking market as "Cisco and the Seven Dwarves". Nobody has ever said that about Symantec (prior to the Broadcom acquisition) or Palo Alto Networks.

It is often the case that in a new security product category, the products are so different, it is hard to collect them together in a single category with a straight face. Example: next generation AV circa 2015-2016. AV was a well-worn product category. All of the legacy products did basically the same thing. More or less at the same time, a bunch of new products came to market that all claimed the mantle of "next generation AV:"

* Bit9 did process whitelisting, later adding Carbon Black for endpoint forensics

* Fire Eye had a proto-EDR solution

* Cylance did ML-based malware detection

* Palo Alto Networks had an exploit-mitigation focused agent that they bolted ML-based malware detection onto.

The industry slowly converged on EDR as the sort-of successor to endpoint AV budgets.

A few years later, the cloud security space was the same fragmented mess. Some were what we now know as CSPM, some were glorified DLP solutions, some container security solutions, etc.

Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @07:36PM (#43406537)
The primary founder (Nir Zuk) is a Unit 8200 alumni, as are the founders of Checkpoint and a bunch of other cyber security companies. Nir Zuk is also a US citizen and went out of his way to base PANW in the US, including their hardware manufacturing and software engineering operations.

You'll find former-intelligence blob operators in a great many cyber security companies. Including former American intel employees[0]. Hell, the CIA basically has their own VC fund[1].

Also, there is zero evidence any of these people are currently acting at the behest of their force employers, apart from obviously the CIA venture fund acts at the behest of the CIA.

0 - Robert M Lee https://dragos.com, Keith Alexander (formerly https://ironnet.com,) amongst many others

1 - In Q Tel https://www.iqt.org/

Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @07:07PM (#43406285)
Wiz does many things. VPN, by any definition, is not one of them.
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @05:00PM (#43405051)
I’m honestly not sure what your point, if any, is.
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @04:24PM (#43404607)
10% market share in security is huge. It is an extremely fragmented market, across almost all product segments.
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @04:22PM (#43404578)
Compliance and patch/vulnerability management teams are a major constituency for CSPM tools.
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @01:30PM (#43402154)
What an amazing coincidence!
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @01:24PM (#43402072)
Quick question: are you related to the bschmidt69 that is also a brand new account posting in this thread?
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @01:05PM (#43401830)
They built the core CSPM module themselves. And, yes, their customers really do exist and really do love the product. What they particularly liked was the alert fidelity - most other cloud security vendors back when Wiz started required a host agent to provide a similar level of assurance a given alert was real, whereas Wiz would do offline volume scanning.

Just because you aren’t the target market for something doesn’t mean it isn’t real or valuable.

Source: used to compete against them. I no longer have any dog in this fight.

Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @12:53PM (#43401662)
Google isn’t buying Wiz for “security expertise”, they’re buying Wiz for a security product, in a growth area, that customers absolutely love. You’ve provided no evidence for the conspiracy theory that google is buying Wiz to siphon up a bunch of data, and if you’re going to link to Wiz, maybe link to their public list of security certifications, many of which prohibit the type of data harvesting you are suggesting.

https://trust.wiz.io/

Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @12:46PM (#43401560)
If you have a problem with Unit 8200 alumni, you’re going to have a difficult time buying commercially available security products. Palo Alto Networks, Armis, Checkpoint, and many others were either founded by or otherwise have former 8200 folks on staff. Then there’s crowdstrike, founded by a Russian. Or Fortinet, which was founded by Ken Xie (born in Beijing.)

I guess you could base your entire security stack on F Secure. Everyone loves the Finns.

Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @12:39PM (#43401468)
This is an absurd take. There’s nothing stopping anyone from building their own cloud security tools (many have), and unlike the Mafia, Wiz isn’t threatening anyone who doesn’t buy their service. I’m also not aware of any government agency providing any reasonable analog to what these tools provide in the physical world.
Re:Google to buy Wiz for $32B on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @09:15AM (#43399071)
It is a very legitimate tool. It identifies misconfigurations and vulnerabilities in cloud deployments. Anything from a container with a known-vulnerable package in the manifest to a workload with improper firewall rules.
Apparently I’ve been a 30x dentist this whole time and never even knew. I can do a cleaning in 2 minutes flat.
Mine's a 10x dentist.
Move fast and violate HIPAA.
Most of my telecom experiences were pretty boring. It largely consisted of handling digital circuits for modem banks, then later setting up a very small CLEC and building small PBX systems out of open source software in the early 2000s, which at the time worked about as well as you might imagine[0]. The outside plant people for the local ILEC had the best war stories:

* Someone tried to carjack a friend while he was suspended in the air in the bucket of a bucket truck, making a repair in a splice case[1].

* Another friend was making a repair in a bad part of town, and while doing some work in junction box (larger, ground-based version of a splice case,) a drug addict hobbled out of a nearby house and asked him if he was with the phone company. When he replied in the affirmative, the drug addict asked him to call 911 as one of his compatriots was ODing.

... etc...

I did get to help another service provider recover from a tornado by physically removing mud and debris from their equipment over the course of a few days and powering it back on. It almost all worked, with a few parts swapped out. I wrote about that one[2].

*Edit* I forgot I have one good CLEC war story. I wrote a test system that ended up calling 911 several times and playing a 1 kilohertz test tone at the 911 operator until they hung up. The test system was meant to troubleshoot an intermittent call quality issue that we were having difficult isolating. It consisted of a machine with a SIP trunk on one side and an analog telephone on the other. It would call itself repeatedly, play the 1k test tone to itself, and look for any audio disturbances, and record a lot of detail about which trunks were in use, etc., when that occurred. That all worked fine. The problem was the telephone number for the SIP trunk, which I remember to this day (20 years later) - 5911988. Every once and a while, when calling the SIP trunk from the analog line (this thing made thousands of calls,) the leading 5 wouldn’t get interpreted correctly, and the switch would just process the subsequent digits… 9, 1, 1 - as soon as that second one was processed, it sent the call to the local PSAP. After a few days a police officer showed up and asked us to please stop whatever it was we were doing.

0 - "not at all"

1 - in the US, anyway, these are the black cylindrical objects you see suspended from cables strung along utility poles

2 - https://marcusb.org/posts/2023/11/a-real-life-disaster-recov...

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