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Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by pelorat on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:17AM (#38189393)
I remember the good old days when everything was HTTP. Anyways, this is really only an issue for those who has an innate distrust in their government, something most EU citizens don't have.
Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by hcfman on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:25AM (#38189474)
So that is a very selfish attitude from the poor bastards who have dis-trust from their government because their government screwed them over.

For example, in 2005 I moved next door to someone that a year later was busted for growing hennep. The Dutch government used/abused the neighbour on the other side to spy and harrass him. Even after he was arrested and convicted. Then I was harrassed in serious illegal ways because I was in the way, I lived literally between these two.

Then went on for more than 10 years!!! And the government and told the police never to respond to my calls and the justice department binned all of my police reports. And this guy was stealing from me and vandalizing things!

I forced it to court and the prosecutor deliberately made the case fail by excluding enormous amounts of evidence and lying to the judge. I member of the board of directors of the court was involved behind the scenes obstructing justice from there and that person is now the president of a Dutch court!!

These people illegally facilitated crimes against a third party innocent victim and then obstructed justice to prevent their crimes coming to light.

These people in the Dutch government would have access to the power needed to intercept my mail and would have an immoral motivation to do so.

How is that capability a good thing given this context?

Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by lopis on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:27AM (#38189498)
You can't be serious. If this gets implemented, trust in the EU will be greatly reduced. And maybe I do trust the EU, but not each individual country that will implement this this?
Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by nounaut on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:27AM (#38189495)
I think many EU citizens have a distrust in other EU governments than their own, and this sounds like it would allow all EU governments to intercept all EU citizens.
Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by Urd- on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:46AM (#38189652)
It would allow all EU governments to intercept everyone on the planet if that CA is root in every browser install.
Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by poizan42 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:29AM (#38189514)
Eh, I'm an EU citizen and the whole NSA surveillance program cooperation shows that my government (Denmark) can't be trusted when it comes to surveillance capabilities.

Also I certainly don't trust Hungary under their current government even if I trusted my own government.

Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by landgenoot on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:23AM (#38189446)
This is not about "their" government, but trusting every EU member state.
Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by squigz on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:26AM (#38189485)
If you have nothing to hide, right...
Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by javajosh on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:22AM (#38189441)
>innate distrust in their government, something most EU citizens don't have

Was that a joke?

Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by pard68 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:38AM (#38189574)
Not OP, but it's a pretty American perspective to see Europeans as very complacent with what their government does. If not a joke, this is probably where the sentiment stems from.
Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by mildmotive on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:32AM (#38189537)
It must be sarcasm.

In reality, people don’t have the time to read up on these issues to build an opinion in the first place. The most potent media corporations that could’ve amplified this issue for the general public are effectively propaganda machines for whoever pays the most or has the biggest guns to their heads.

It’s a sad state of affairs. Most of the public are unaware that a cage is being built around them.

But those who do have some understanding about these threats, they certainly are increasingly more distrustful.

Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by _heimdall on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:49AM (#38189683)
> It’s a sad state of affairs. Most of the public are unaware that a cage is being built around them.

Plenty of people want the cage. I don't mean that disparagingly but don't know how else to put it.

Life is hard and can be scary, there are a lot of people who would rather have a cage with someone else in charge than deal with it themselves.

Re:Bad eIDAS: Europe ready to intercept, spy on your encrypt... by _heimdall on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:46AM (#38189655)
I'm always genuinely confused when similar arguments come up related to privacy. Governments invading its citizens' privacy is always a problem.

They may have good intentions today, but politicians and intentions can change while the new government powers are likely never removed.