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Re:What makes a great software developer by tr888 on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:48AM (#38149665)
There's something deeply depressing about a modern software developer role consisting of 20% coding.
Re:What makes a great software developer by glutamate on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:01AM (#38149734)
If 80% is spent in progress meetings, scrum point estimation, and other acts of performative taylorism, yes.

If 80% is spent understanding reading about the domain in which you are working, talking to your users and domain experts, documenting your work, and mentoring juniors or being mentored by seniors, there should be nothing depressing about that.

Re:What makes a great software developer by jamil7 on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:17AM (#38149810)
I probably spend around 80% of my time coding in a senior role with around 12 years experience. I think it depends highly on where and what you work on.
Re:What makes a great software developer by davedx on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:27AM (#38149868)
Yup. 20+ years experience and I spend the majority of my time coding. The solution is easy IMO: work for startups not politics riddled corporations
Re:What makes a great software developer by sys_64738 on Sunday November 05, 2023 @06:47AM (#38150310)
Except not many startups are 40 hour work committments.
Re:What makes a great software developer by zx8080 on Sunday November 05, 2023 @07:28AM (#38150555)
Contrary to widespread beliefs, startups are frequently full of politics.
Re:What makes a great software developer by ido on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:25AM (#38149852)
And mostly on how many reports you have.
Re:What makes a great software developer by zmgsabst on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:57AM (#38150025)
I agree.

If you have 8-10 engineers you’re supervising and are the person interfacing with management, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to spend half your time coordinating, teaching, and planning.

So scale down the expected SDE 1 quotas (~50% coding), and you get around 25-30% coding time.

I think a lot of people confuse being an experienced career engineer with being a technical lead; that’s the real jump from SDE 2 to SDE 3.

Re:What makes a great software developer by ido on Sunday November 05, 2023 @06:26AM (#38150169)
I think I'd get a lot less than 25-30% coding time while managing 8-10 people (and also depending on what you're doing while "supervising", if there's a dedicated project/product manager in addition to you, how senior are the other engineers, etc)! In fact at that point I think I'd be managing too many people ("ideally" 1 lead/manager isn't managing more than 5 ICs).
Re:What makes a great software developer by zmgsabst on Sunday November 05, 2023 @09:22AM (#38151348)
My experience of Big Co is that you have both a manager (HR and business sense) and a supervising/lead engineer (SDE 3) for a product.

I don’t think I explained that well — but a 3:3:1 to 5:5:1 SDE 1:2:3 mix is fairly standard across industry. (Again, with an SDM doing the managing.)

I used the word “supervising” because I wanted to distinguish that technical leadership from managing, but didn’t explain enough. Sorry for the confusion.

Re:What makes a great software developer by rafamvc on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:09AM (#38149776)
If you considering code reading part of coding, coding 20% of the time is certainly not enough. The article is meant for a neurotypical ideal average employee. There are many effective programmers that have different workflows.

A trait of a good manager is allow different people to be effective in the collaboration of writing software together.

The article paints an unreal rosy picture where "everything runs smoothly and has forward momentum".

Working with a live system is messy. There is always compromise because there is never enough time to keep everything smooth.

It is very common to be stuck at some problem. That moment you let a problem clunk around your brain and you randomly think of a solution in the shower or at the grocery store is way too common. And honestly fun.

Re:What makes a great software developer by baz00 on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:18AM (#38149814)
20%! Where is this magical place you work?

I think I write perhaps a couple of lines a week and that's usually patching something in an emergency after other people have failed.

Advice: never get too senior.

Re:What makes a great software developer by sverhagen on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:50AM (#38149678)
It depends heavily on the company and the team you're on. If you are a more seasoned professional, you probably get the luxury of filtering on this criterion. And a lot of people also really enjoy the other eighty percent.
Re:What makes a great software developer by Apocryphon on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:53AM (#38149693)
Maybe, but you also have to consider how much preexisting code has been prewritten in frameworks and libraries. Consider how much of “coding” is spent integrating that code instead of typing out new lines of code.
Re:What makes a great software developer by 6510 on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:03AM (#38149742)
Coverage for preexisting conditions.
Re:What makes a great software developer by 6510 on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:01AM (#38149736)
A great software developer doesn't have a computer. He lives alone in a cabin in the woods. He knows it is better that way as it minimizes harm to others and allows him to skip all of the meetings forever, until the end of time...
Re:What makes a great software developer by bluGill on Sunday November 05, 2023 @06:25AM (#38150159)
Ada Lovelace is a hero for having the sense to die before computers were powerful enough to run her programs.
Re:What makes a great software developer by rkangel on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:46AM (#38149963)
Not all engineering is coding. If I'm debugging a couple of hard to find problems this week I won't write lots of code but I'll certainly be doing valuable engineering.
Re:What makes a great software developer by bcherny on Sunday November 05, 2023 @05:52AM (#38149993)
This was my life, until I moved from SF to Japan. Now my life is 90% coding and I’m 350% happier.
Re:What makes a great software developer by Apocryphon on Sunday November 05, 2023 @08:47AM (#38151069)
How many hours a day though?
Re:What makes a great software developer by yodsanklai on Sunday November 05, 2023 @06:23AM (#38150152)
Yes, pretty sad. Even worse, these 20% coding can be fixing bugs in different projects your team work on, and on which you have only a basic understanding.

The percentage of coding on a project that I get to design is even lower.