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Re:Ask HN: How would French police locate suspects by tappin... by swader999 on Saturday November 04, 2023 @01:55PM (#38143492)
Airplane mode does work. I can put an emf meter up to my Android phone and nothing comes out of it. Same with the device off.

But is it still recording for later transmission? Perhaps!

Re:Ask HN: How would French police locate suspects by tappin... by dylan604 on Saturday November 04, 2023 @02:03PM (#38143566)
If you're willing to believe anything can be put in passive mode, you'll absolutely drive yourself mad. There's no way to proove that a device is not listening passively, so of course people will say it is.
Re:Ask HN: How would French police locate suspects by tappin... by mrcode007 on Saturday November 04, 2023 @02:47PM (#38143963)
Anything with an integrated circuit can be proven to be not operating based on power consumption or switching noise of the transistors in the device.
Re:Ask HN: How would French police locate suspects by tappin... by theamk on Saturday November 04, 2023 @02:49PM (#38143979)
Modern microphones need input clock to operate, and are physically incapable of listening when the clock is absent.

This gives a trivial way to detect of the device is listening passively, at least on the workbench.

Re:Ask HN: How would French police locate suspects by tappin... by dylan604 on Saturday November 04, 2023 @03:53PM (#38144524)
I don't even know what the "mic needs a clock" means. I've never used a microphone that needed a clock. Making a mic that needs a clock just seems like a "WTF were they thinking" kind of thing. Can you elaborate on this concept of requiring a clock for a mic?
Re:Ask HN: How would French police locate suspects by tappin... by theamk on Saturday November 04, 2023 @06:13PM (#38145719)
The keyword to search for is "digital mems", and of course we are talking individual parts to place on PCB, not the consumer device. Here is one random example: [0]. Somewhat expensive at $1 ea, but that's what you pay for US manufacturer.

This microphones take 2.4 MHz clock and return PDM (pulse density modulation) signal. Does not seem very convinient for old-school analog electronic circuits, but it's pretty trivial to interface with any micro with pulse counter hardware.

And presumably the audio won't have any hum or interference from nearby radio transmitters, which is especially useful in cell phones.

[0] https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/cui-devices/CMM-4...

Re:Ask HN: How would French police locate suspects by tappin... by fsflover on Saturday November 04, 2023 @03:57PM (#38144559)
My phone has hardware kill switches for modem, wifi/Bluetooth and mic/camera.
Re:Ask HN: How would French police locate suspects by tappin... by solardev on Saturday November 04, 2023 @03:50PM (#38144494)
Do those meters work across all frequencies?