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Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by Retric on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:33AM (#38038961)
Reputation is still valuable over time. Some YouTube creators I ignore irregardless of the thumbnail, while other content creators get a click automatically. The same happens with websites and everywhere else in the attention economy.
Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by visarga on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:40AM (#38039085)
I was going to say the same thing. Regular content is like tourist shops - they will price gauge and deliver subpar merch because they know you won't return, their action will be consequence free. A shop with returning customers can't afford to do that especially if there is competition.
Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by oangemangut on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:38AM (#38039043)
some content creators I click on _despite_ them having to do the click-bait stupid YouTube thumbnails.

As an aside - word you may have been looking for is irrespective, or perhaps just plain old regardless. irregardless is not a word.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by function_seven on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:59AM (#38039348)
> irregardless is not a word.

Lots of dictionaries disagree. But not me! I'll join you on this hill, regardless of what those dumb dictionaries say.

The misuse of "literally" and the common use of "irregardless" are the red pills that have turned me into a crotchety old ... prescriptivist.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by narcraft on Friday October 27, 2023 @11:29AM (#38039799)
People say that people use literally to mean figuratively now which is literally the opposite of literally, but I've literally never seen someone use literally to mean figuratively. I have often seen it used to hyperbolize the strength of analogies or generalizations, which means they apply literally somewhat figuratively, but that doesn't mean that they literally mean for literally to mean figuratively.
Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by TeMPOraL on Friday October 27, 2023 @11:45AM (#38040046)
Literally is literally a point. Figuratively is a point only figuratively, literally it is a continuum. If you're not using literally to literally mean literally, you are literally using it to mean figuratively.
Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by marcosdumay on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:13PM (#38041145)
People are just not literally-absolutists. They believe literally exists in a continuum.

That means they disagree with you on the definition of the word, but it doesn't make it a synonym of figuratively.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by dragonwriter on Friday October 27, 2023 @06:14PM (#38044688)
No, if you aren't using it to mean literally, you are using it figuratively, but not necessarily (or ever, IME) to mean figuratively (usually as an intensifier to a statement that is expected to be understood as figurative from context.)
Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by DrammBA on Friday October 27, 2023 @11:47AM (#38040062)
> I'm literally dead right now

Is that figurative speech?

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by falsaberN1 on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:22PM (#38040546)
Yes. Definitely.

If I say "I literally broke my arm" after I actually broke my arm, that use is completely correct. But you cannot be literally dead and still type a message, unless it's an automated message that you ordered someone/something to send AFTER you died.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by function_seven on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:44PM (#38040786)
If I'm on my regular nightly haunting mission, and I decide to speak to the new owner of the house that I'm haunting, how do I convey to them that I am really, actually, truly dead? I could say, "I'm literally dead", but they would think I'm laughing at their joke they just made!

If the answer to this is to avoid the word "literally", and instead replace it with "really, actually, truly" (like I did above), then I might just decide to retire from haunting.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by falsaberN1 on Friday October 27, 2023 @06:10PM (#38044653)
You obtain "literally dead" privileges if you are a ghost, too, of course.

OMG A GOAST SO SPOOKY

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by dllthomas on Friday October 27, 2023 @11:10PM (#38046735)
Of course.

Would you be less likely to interpret it as such if the speaker has omitted "literally"?

I would say that that is an example of hyperbole. "I am so figuratively dead right now it's as if I am literally dead." The meaning of literally, there, remains intact.

In the same way, when someone complains that you left them waiting for "days" we don't say "sometimes days means ten minutes" but that sometimes people exaggerate.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by compiler-guy on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:00PM (#38040243)
Linguists call this usage, “the emphatic literally” and the best writers of the past 300 years have used it.

So if it’s good enough for Charlotte Brontë, Jane Austen, Mark Twain, Charles Dickens, William Thackeray, Vladimir Nabokov, and David Foster Wallace, then it’s good enough for me. Literally.

https://www.thecut.com/2018/01/the-300-year-history-of-using...

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by JohnFen on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:56PM (#38043149)
I wouldn't mind that use of the word if there were a different word available that meant "literally literally".
Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by Retric on Friday October 27, 2023 @11:34AM (#38039877)
It’s been in common use for well over 100 years before you where born.

There’s beating a dead horse, and there’s railing about the injustice of it all in the shadow of a great oak growing over the horses grave.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by PH95VuimJjqBqy on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:47PM (#38040821)
oh snap, I love that analogy.
Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by JohnFen on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:17PM (#38040485)
> irregardless is not a word.

"Irregardless" is absolutely a word. It's not a word I personally like, but there's no denying its status.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by function_seven on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:57AM (#38039316)
> while other content creators get a click automatically.

A number of times now Youtube has shown me a video recommendation that I ignored for days. The thumbnail with that stupid "gobsmacked" expression of the creator (:-O) with some dumb headline in big block letters ("IS GRAVITY A LIE?"). You know what I'm talking about.

Then I finally get around to looking at it closer, and it turns out it's one of my favorite channels with an awesome video! They went with the stupid title and thumbnail because "the algorithm demands it". The actual video itself is great.

These creators get an automatic click from me as well, except when I'm mislead by the thumnail and title into not even realizing it's one of them. Then it takes time for me to discover it. There's been a couple of times where the video I'm mentally spam-filtering appears on the HN front page, and it turns out to be a great video. But had I not seen it here, I would never have clicked on it.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by _jal on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:17PM (#38040480)
> They went with the stupid title and thumbnail because "the algorithm demands it"

The end result is I don't use their discovery crap at all, because it all looks like garbage I don't care about.

My use of Youtube has become very similar to my use of Xitter - never log in, almost never look at content on their domains, only on other peoples' sites.

I'm sure it works for them on average.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by bee_rider on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:40PM (#38040729)
I do not understand the gobsmacked face thing. It has been going on for years. There’s no way Google doesn’t know about it. I guess we should assume they… want it that way?
Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by xethos on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:18PM (#38041208)
Why would elgooG give a gosh-darn about the amazed facial expression of some of their most popular creators? I assume they care about their metrics, and this drives engagement, especially with younger viewers. And because younger viewers have the most time, that in turn drives hours of YouTube watched, ads viewed, and on and on.

We can assume the metrics, we can see the results, and both seem to line up.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by tiznow on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:25PM (#38041306)
Thumbnails with the creator's face are proven to attract more views. The stupid expression seems to enhance that effect.
Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by PH95VuimJjqBqy on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:46PM (#38040804)
I have a tendency to ignore anything with strong wording as I know I can't trust the intentions of the author.

When you DO click on them they're almost always the most mundane things imaginable.

Re:The Slow Death of Authenticity in an Attention Economy by adventurer on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:07PM (#38041070)
The Mr. Beast thumbnail O face because everything you post has to be something you HAVE to click on.