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Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by Klaster_1 on Friday October 27, 2023 @06:42AM (#38036856)
Can the price pressure reduce the amount of cars overall after IC cars are outlawed?
Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Friday October 27, 2023 @08:19AM (#38037502)
Probably not in a democracy.

A huge number of people like owning cars. If there is price pressure from a law, there will be massive political pressure to change that law.

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by slaw on Friday October 27, 2023 @08:47AM (#38037725)
Most people don't like to own cars. Pay, insure, park, repair. It is just necessity to move from point A to point B.
Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by paulryanrogers on Friday October 27, 2023 @08:55AM (#38037792)
Sadly untrue in large parts of the US. Often it becomes an extension of ones identity. To not have one is a clear signal you're too poor or too 'city'. (Having the wrong one is similarly troublesome for ones social life.)
Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by slaw on Friday October 27, 2023 @08:59AM (#38037841)
I am just a software developer and I don't know a single person who thinks car is a status symbol of any kind. Private jets and yachts are.
Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by daedalus_j on Friday October 27, 2023 @09:23AM (#38038115)
Perhaps you're high enough up the ladder that those are simply the people you know and interact with?

Move higher up and "personal city on the moon" becomes the status symbol. Move lower down and it's still cars. What type of car, and what modifications it has, etc, become quite important talking points.

A recent SMBC seems to me to explain it well: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/esteem-2

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by gottorf on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:10AM (#38038631)
> A recent SMBC seems to me to explain it well: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/esteem-2

The bonus panel is hilarious!

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by tguedes on Friday October 27, 2023 @09:44AM (#38038340)
It's important to recognize the bubble you're in. Go to the American south and the Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge is a major identity for a lot of people. You'll see ridiculous bumper stickers like "I'd rather push a Ford than drive a Chevy." or "Ford. Like Chevy but for men."

And the more you customize your truck, the "higher" your status. To the point where you get ridiculous monstrosities like this https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCPjEi.... There is no point to this besides to declare ones status.

Hell even closer to your bubble of private jets and yachts, plenty of high net worth people collect expensive and rare cars. It is a major status symbol to say they have 1 of 500 La Ferraris made or 1 of 375 McLaren P1's.

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by gottorf on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:14AM (#38038696)
> Go to the American south and the Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge is a major identity for a lot of people. You'll see ridiculous bumper stickers like "I'd rather push a Ford than drive a Chevy." or "Ford. Like Chevy but for men."

For what it's worth, I live in the Deep South and while I do see bumper stickers of that sort every now and then, the sentiment behind it is generally just banter. Most people with one probably have three or four identities more important than "I'm a Dodge guy", whether it be "I'm a Christian", "I'm a father", or what have you.

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by tonyedgecombe on Friday October 27, 2023 @08:20AM (#38037508)
ICE cars won't be outlawed if there isn't an acceptable alternative. It would be political suicide.
Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by georgeplusplus on Friday October 27, 2023 @08:52AM (#38037768)
Europe and California are already moving full steam ahead without a plan.

Anything for that sweet chinese money.

EVs benefit china. Period. Gavin Newsom met with Xi recently. Probably to collect his paycheck for enacting the law to phase out ICEs by 2030.

Why cant democrat supporters connect the dots.

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by otteromkram on Friday October 27, 2023 @09:04AM (#38037896)
> Why cant democrat supporters connect the dots.

Because there's no dots to connect.

Related: Dems probably know what a question mark is and where it should be used.

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by georgeplusplus on Saturday October 28, 2023 @11:45AM (#38050708)
You don't see the mass migration of over 10 million people as troublesome?

You don't see the surging crime in cities as a problem?

You don't see inflation as a problem?

Do you live under a bridge?

How about these for questions.

Democrats have their heads in the sand on these issues. We are a bleeding lamb, it's no coincidence Russia and Iran made military moves because we are

W E A K.

Maybe it is a coincidence to you. Democrats seem more concerned with letting trans men compete un women sports than any of them above.

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by Welmoto on Friday October 27, 2023 @09:52AM (#38038411)
Germany is pushing for ev too and Germany main industry is cars.

We have bmw, VW, Mercedes etc here.

A lot of people I personally know work for bmw.

Your conspiracy doesn't make sense. No German politican would ever ty to hurt the German automotive sector.

And we don't have that many it people we have a ton of German engineers

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by TerrifiedMouse on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:04AM (#38038552)
> Your conspiracy doesn't make sense. No German politican would ever ty to hurt the German automotive sector.

The same German politicians that shutdown nuclear reactors making Germany more dependent on fossil fuels like coal?

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by ben_w on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:29PM (#38041371)
Neither coal nor nuclear is part of the German automotive sector.
Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by Welmoto on Friday October 27, 2023 @06:39PM (#38044919)
The Ampel still exists of sod, FDP and green.

The green got there energy politics as promised.

This is not contraire to what I said.

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by georgeplusplus on Saturday October 28, 2023 @11:41AM (#38050674)
All economic signs in the USA are pointing towards depression. I live abroad and where i live wven they can see how weak we are but my American democrat friends back home somehow dont see it.

They think the way the world still sees us is and favorable and we project a strong image abroad. The world sees what's happening with the uncontained migration, crime surges in the city, and with the inflation and they see weakness.

How you can be living in this and not see it is beyond my rational.

Perhaps its the same dunning Kruger effect is making you not be able to see that your politicians have sold you out your car industry to foreign entities that include an alliance of Russia China and Iran.

Your auto industry cannot compete. I have lived in China they are so far ahead of the EV market its a joke what's more, they own a monopoly on lithium production who do you think we will come begging to with an ev transition. It's sad. I hope you can start to question the madness these dirty politicians sold us out for.

Re:Ford hits the brakes on $12B in EV spending by JumpCrisscross on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:36AM (#38039012)
> ICE cars won't be outlawed if there isn't an acceptable alternative

Not explicitly. But new gas stations will stop being built. For-hire cars mandated to go electric. Parking spaces reserved for electric cars only. Perhaps HOAs that ban the running of combustion engines on their streets. Nudges here and there that make it more annoying and expensive to own a gas car.