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Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by apendleton on Thursday October 26, 2023 @09:53AM (#38025570)
I think they're mostly targeting customers who want an AWS- or GCP-like experience from a developer perspective (compute is abstracted and you can provision it with an API, etc.), but want to own their own compute infrastructure and have it on-prem. That market has mostly had to cobble together consumer-inspired HP/Cisco/whatever stuff historically (like, one of the early talks about the Oxide value proposition was complaining about why every server in the rack needs a CD drive, which was the norm from Dell), because the kinds of stripped-down, super-efficient hardware designs the hyperscalers were building weren't available to the general public, so this is that: hyperscaler-like technology for people who want to own it themselves.

I think the motivations for why people would want to own their own are probably a mix of financial (at a certain scale there's a tipping point and it gets cheaper), and regulatory/compliance/whatever, like if it's healthcare data, or defense, etc.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by bigironcto on Thursday October 26, 2023 @10:00AM (#38025681)
Thank you for the response. The problem you described has been solved by the large vendors with Hyper-converged offerings for many years so it sounds like Oxide might be a bit late to the party.

I do understand well the rational of running your own servers vs hyperscalers, as well as the repatriation trend but I see Oxide at best as a niche player.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by liotier on Thursday October 26, 2023 @10:35AM (#38026156)
Lack of local support does make them a niche player, but everything starts from a niche and those who believe they don't start from a niche disperse their efforts. So, with the hypothesis that Oxyde is smart, the question therefore is: what niche is Oxyde focusing on ?
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by Voultapher on Thursday October 26, 2023 @10:48AM (#38026314)
Genuine question, you mention Hyper-converged, can you point to anything that comes even close to the experience you presumably get from the Oxide offering.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by sbarre on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:47PM (#38029126)
Part of the problem here is that the people who make the purchasing decisions (like this CTO guy) don't care about "the experience" because they're not the ones unpacking boxes and plugging in cables.

They pay other people to do that and they don't really care if it's a miserable time. And if it takes days instead of hours, who cares? Rarely is someone setting up a data center under the gun (unless you're Elmo and we all saw how that went).

Factors like scalability and ongoing support are much more top of mind.

Not saying that Oxide can't address this, and I love Oxide's focus on the experience, but I think this bottom-up approach to convincing customers is going to be a steep climb..

But they seem to be up for steep climbs, so I wish them all the best!

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by dfc on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:51PM (#38032669)
Who is Elmo?
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by romanhn on Thursday October 26, 2023 @07:24PM (#38032924)
Elon Musk
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by gregw2 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @07:43PM (#38033076)
Elon Musk, Twitter/X CEO, went to the data center and started unplugging things. You can’t make this stuff up! https://www.techdirt.com/2023/09/12/the-batshit-crazy-story-...

Why “Elmo”? https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-insiders-users-calli...

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by exikyut on Sunday October 29, 2023 @02:24AM (#38056233)
I got curious about the book mentioned, and found an EPUB:

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Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by mlindner on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:14AM (#38035615)
> we all saw how that went

I mean... it went quite well all considering? There was some site instability for a brief period of time and now it's back to working normally. The initial hypothesis was that the data center was vital and so couldn't be shut down quickly. Turns out the hypothesis was incorrect. So I'm not quire sure that makes the point you're trying to make.

Of course Twitter is definitely not all use cases, so trying to generalize from one data point isn't a great idea in general.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by sbarre on Friday October 27, 2023 @09:19PM (#38046092)
I was making a bit of a joke there, sorry. It was more about the rather rare scenario of setting up a data centre in a hurry than about the long-term quality of the result.

Elmo's experiment came to mind so I tossed it in there.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by sanderjd on Friday October 27, 2023 @05:40PM (#38044369)
Yeah I think this is the interesting question. My (naive, uninformed) interpretation is that Oxide is betting that there is some area in the overlap of the venn diagram between "people who have reasons not to run their businesses on the public clouds" and "people who are not suits but technologists and care about the user experience of setting up and maintaining their infrastructure because they want to do it themselves / without hiring lots of people and service contracts".

I'm not sure how big that space is, or whether it is likely to grow or shrink over time, but I'm intrigued by the proposition they're testing here!

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by sbarre on Friday October 27, 2023 @09:17PM (#38046073)
I wonder if we'll see this space you describe grow as AI startups and scaleups - or even internal departments in large enterprises - start to increase in number...

I know there's already plenty of concerns about giving cloud-based AI services access to corporate data, so maybe there's a growing market there..

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by parasubvert on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:01PM (#38031649)
Dell's VxRail has been very popular and successful. Not perfect, but pretty good, and I think the market leader.

HPE Simplivity has done well.

Also, Nutanix.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by ricardobeat on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:25PM (#38032479)
These seem to solve the ‘host your own cloud’ problem, but are still standard server blades requiring a ton of surrounding hardware and maintenance. Oxide is entirely integrated.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by parasubvert on Sunday October 29, 2023 @09:08PM (#38064562)
"A ton of surrounding hardware" is vague, generally speaking it's bog standard network switches that are needed.

Oxide is entirely integrated with their own custom (though based on OSS?) networking via Tofino based switches and software. Could be good, but a lot of subtle bugs can occur at this layer. It's a risk.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by pl4nty on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:56PM (#38046654)
VxRail's the market leader? Last I touched it, it was a mountain of integration faults and vendors pointing fingers at each other. Maybe it's easier in larger or more traditional environments, but I'd be apprehensive of hyperconvered if VxRail's the best available
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by parasubvert on Sunday October 29, 2023 @09:05PM (#38064544)
Evo:RAIL from VMware had those issues, but Dell VxRail has been relatively smooth at scale IME.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by hollerith on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:56AM (#38039305)
Although it might be true that the existing vendors don't provide a good experience, I'm still a little miffed that the OP does not even mention the existence of the existing vendors.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by sanderjd on Friday October 27, 2023 @05:43PM (#38044394)
This I don't get. It's marketing copy, from a small upstart. They don't need to link to their established competitors...
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by hollerith on Friday October 27, 2023 @09:45PM (#38046284)
OK, then at least I'm glad someone in the comments pointed out their competitors.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by sanderjd on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:12PM (#38046437)
Agreed, it's why I read stuff like HN comments! Marketing copy is not a good source for comparative information.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by dboreham on Thursday October 26, 2023 @10:51AM (#38026358)
This might boil down to "why does anyone need Stripe when there's Visa"?
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by mixdup on Thursday October 26, 2023 @08:51PM (#38033475)
Stripe and Visa are two different parts of the same ecosystem though. You can't really replicate Stripe with entirely Visa services
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by jeffrallen on Thursday October 26, 2023 @11:24AM (#38026823)
Oxide has customers who have been waiting for real integration and innovation from HP, Dell, and Cisco and are ready to take a risk on something new.

I set up some Cisco server hardware a few years ago, and only by the time I'd managed to order it I was already wishing I had a better choice. When it arrived and the remote serial was unusable to fix the BIOS ("American Megatrends copyright 1984" at 9600 baud? No thanks.) I was ready to give up and go back to AWS.

This is a market ready for a kick in the ass, which Oxide plans to do.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:15PM (#38027710)
> The problem you described has been solved by the large vendors with Hyper-converged offerings for many years

All Oxide has to do to win that market is ship software and firmware that doesn't suck, because there are incumbents but the incumbents are clearly incapable of doing so.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by count on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:41PM (#38029048)
The bar really is sooooo low
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by SamuelAdams on Thursday October 26, 2023 @07:27PM (#38032955)
It’s a bit like Apple entering the Bluetooth headphone market. Tons of players, but they all suck for a variety of reasons. Apple announced the AirPods, which pair extremely well with your phone, and they really don’t suck.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by sanderjd on Friday October 27, 2023 @05:48PM (#38044449)
I mean, I don't know anything about this space like you do, I'm just an intrigued observer, but my impression is just: They are going to try to compete with those large vendors. Maybe they won't be able to! Such is life, and indeed is the most common outcome for new ventures.

But precious few new ventures have ever entered a market where nobody said some form of "I don't get it, there are already established products in this space, how will this new thing ever get traction?". And yet, lots of new ventures turn out to be competitive with the established players in their market, for one reason and another.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by delfinom on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:42PM (#38028172)
>I think the motivations for why people would want to own their own are probably a mix of financial (at a certain scale there's a tipping point and it gets cheaper), and regulatory/compliance/whatever, like if it's healthcare data, or defense, etc.

Yea, there's definitely a market in defense here. Because even though Azure/AWS offer Govcloud, its inadequate for non-civilian connected infrastructure. This offers benefits of writing "modern software" and deploying it in similar modern fashion while keeping it completely running isolated. Imagine being able to make your command and control operations actually decentralized and not vulnerable to a missile strike on a single datacenter.