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Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by expertentipp on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:21AM (#37999534)
Lots of bad things have happened because of and since the previous "wir schaffen das".
Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by hef19898 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:27AM (#37999613)
Last time I checked, we actually did manage it, the last time I mean. Care to elavorate which bad things happened because of it? Because happening since is pointless, we have the war in Ukraine and Covid for example since then, and neither has anything to do with it.
Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:31AM (#37999679)
>Last time I checked, we actually did manage it, the last time I mean. Care to elavorate which bad things happened because of it?

I'd rather not get flagged.

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by hef19898 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:34AM (#37999712)
Ah, ok. So let me guess: Cologne attacks, serial raping of women, criminal clans? Just picking some BS talking points from top of my head.
Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:39AM (#37999780)
Let me guess, you're a male, right? Do you think such people[1] will be a net benefit to a functioning civilized society? You tell me.

It's funny that until 10-15 years ago there was no need for signs in public German swimming pools telling you you shouldn't grope females. I wonder what changed? /s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRgSB38NRBU

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by hef19898 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:44AM (#37999862)
Ah, I totally forgot the swimmong pool scare of the summer of '23, thanks for reminding me!

I agree, armed border police having, if it was up to conservative politians, a mandatebto use force for illegal push bavks are propably not a net benefit for society.

By the way, you should be less on social media.

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:55AM (#38000053)
>illegal push bavks

Since when is it illegal to stop people who don't have the right to enter a country? That's exactly the job of the border security and why you pay taxes for and why borders exist and why countries that defend their borders the best and are most selective with who they let in tend to be the safest and most desirable to live in.

When you board off the plane in Germany try to make a run for it and bypass the the passport control/customs area and see what happens. I assure you, in case you don't get shot, you'll be swiftly put down by force and arrested with guns pointed at your face. Why shouldn't the same strict rules apply to everyone else?

Do you have locks at your house, or do you let everyone in off the street because stopping them would be illegal according to your logic?

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by hef19898 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:57AM (#38000098)
Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:07AM (#38000249)
That's just the broken and outdated asylum system being abused by economic opportunists and people smugglers.

Cracking down on it would make people smuggling disappear over night and save many lives in the process.

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by hef19898 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @12:08PM (#38001200)
I just love people casually denying basic human rights...
Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @12:26PM (#38001480)
It's not a human right to enter and live in whichever country you desire without a visa. Each country has the right to defend its borders, that's what the border police and the military is for.

Only if you can prove your life is in danger, then you're entitled to asylum in the first safe country you can reach, not 10 safe countries over in Sweden, Germany, UK, or whichever wealthy country you desire to live in once you throw away your passport because you're not from a county at war and you intentionally sink your boat so that the coast guard will be forced to pick you up.

That's how human rights work, everything else is just abusing the asylum systems for personal economic benefit.

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by hef19898 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @12:53PM (#38001871)
Asylum is a human right. You didn't even bother looking that up, did you?

Military wages war, and defends against other militaries. Border police doesn't do push backs.

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @01:43PM (#38002578)
>Asylum is a human right.

It's not. It's only to those who qualify for asylum, but this system is so lax and poorly enforced that is abused by economic chancers, and not people ruining away from wars.

Look at the nationalities of those arriving form boats, 90% are not from war torn countries, they don't qualify for asylum.

Also, asylum means the first safe country you can reach, not your proffered EU country. To reach Germany you need to go through 4-8 safe countries which is where the asylum scam lies and why the system needs reformed.

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by hef19898 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @01:59PM (#38002809)
Now we are getting somewhere, maybe. You don't agree with the current asylum.policies? Fair enough, you are not alone and even the SPD chancelor favors harder measures (no suprise here, I'm totally in tje opposite camp). Then argue for reform. But don't start with denying people their basic right of seeking asylum, don't argue for illegal measures to be taken, and please, pleade, try to really research and understand the basic legal principles of what you discuss. Otherwise you just come across as a radical, borderline racist blowhard.
Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @03:18PM (#38003916)
You trying to frame me as radical right wing racist, just for telling you how the asylum system laws work in practice and why it's consistently being broken and abused, is in poor taste, as you don't understand how the asylum laws work but keep harping on a flawed ideology that's not based in any laws.

I repeat one last time then I'm out for good: asylum, by law, is only for those people fleeing war and persecution, not for everyone who wants to come to a nice EU country with a great welfare system, and the asylum applies to the first safe country you reach.

If you come to Germany while having crossed 4-10 safe countries you're basically breaking the asylum laws. Asylum means living in a safe country where your life is no longer in danger from war, not entitling you to living only in Germany/Sweden/UK...wherever YOU choose.

The current German system of "open borders for everyone, come to Germoney please" is not an asylum policy, it's just leftist political madness that's harming the welfare state and the housing market (Denmark is already hard on this), it's harming the EU stability (Brexit was driven by this and other countries are against it as well by voting right wing), it's harming the Schengen system (Austria refuses to let Romania and Bulgaria in due to these migration issues, plus border checks are being introduced all the time harming commuters) and it's harming the migrant entry point countries in EU like Italy and Greece.

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by jansan on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:55AM (#38000047)
Did you notice that almost every store in Berlin has a security personnel at the entrance? It wasn't like this before, but I remember being really confused when I saw this in Paris in the early 2000s. What happened? Do you think Hans and Jürgen have broken bad?
Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by expertentipp on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @12:27PM (#38001482)
The downgrade in everyday security is something they simply accepted as a compromise, just deal it and also stop romanticizing Hans and Jürgen.
Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by Manuel_D on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:48AM (#38000849)
The new Year's Eve assaults were not BS: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s...

Not only that, denial of it appears to have been one of the instigating factors in launching far right parties to prominence.

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by hef19898 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @12:04PM (#38001114)
There is a difference between ignoring them and seeimg that they were blown way, way out of proportion...

And wow, it was in 2015? Forgot that it was almost a decade ago... People really, really should be able to move on... Well, they tried, but the endangered, lawless swimming pool narrative didn't really catch on, did it?

Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by Manuel_D on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @12:35PM (#38001616)
It's totally reasonable to say that these incidents are not significant enough to change immigration policy. But the attacks were not "BS", and falsely claiming them as such a big part of what fueled the rise of AfD and other far right parties. Even if you don't care about veracity, I'm sure you don't want to help support those parties, right? That's why you shouldn't call these events BS.
Re:Germany to Pass Japan as Third-Largest Economy, Helped by... by hef19898 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @12:42PM (#38001698)
The attacks, few as they were, are not BS. What was made out of them was, is and always will be utter horse crap. What worries me is people, who believe that, pushing policy based on those believes.