Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by wging on Sunday October 22, 2023 @05:38PM
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They are typically not taught in school, at least in the US but probably elsewhere too. I don’t even know of a commonly taken undergrad-level course that I’d expect to cover them.
Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by dividendpayee on Sunday October 22, 2023 @10:06PM
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They're often -- but not always -- touched on in advanced undergraduate classes, e.g. after real analysis and abstract algebra. Not every math undergraduate takes number theory these days.
Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by scheme271 on Monday October 23, 2023 @05:07AM
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My honors analysis class covered it. Although it the professor that taught the class worked in p-adic analysis so he snuck p-adics into the first quarter of the analysis sequence.
Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by behnamoh on Sunday October 22, 2023 @05:40PM
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there must be a rule that bans using “marvelous, magic, mysterious, never seen before, …” words used in math posts. There’s nothing marvelous about any of this—it’s just math. Imo it’s better to let people face math head on than try to sugar coat it and click bait them into liking math.
Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by Koshkin on Sunday October 22, 2023 @06:15PM
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> just math
I don't know what this is supposed to convey. Modern mathematics is one of the most amazing, marvelous, beautiful etc. achievements of the mind. I wish more people could appreciate that.
Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by galaxyLogic on Sunday October 22, 2023 @06:23PM
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The marvel of Math is in its non-obviousness. Obvious truths are not marvelous but non-obvious ones are.
"Magic" is also a word we can use about Math because we know no true magic exists. Therefore when something is said to be "magic" we know it means something "looks like magic".
For the Magician (/Mathematician) it of course doesn't look like magic because they clearly understand and see how it works.
So, you are perhaps the Mathematician/Magician for whom it doesn't look like magic but for the rest of many of us it does. We are even willing to pay for the ticket to see magicians perform their "magic" and to marvel at it.
Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by krackers on Sunday October 22, 2023 @09:42PM
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It's also not a full introduction, but for those who want to have a taste of p-adic numbers, see 3b1b's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFDM1ip5HdU which motivates 2-adic numbers. There's also a neat connection between twos complement and 2-adic numbers.
Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by xeyownt on Monday October 23, 2023 @01:47AM
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> Likewise, if you start with a positive integer that ends in 6 and repeatedly raise it to the fifth power, you converge digit by digit toward the strange number
> b = ···743740081787109376
No you don't. Trying with 6, 16, 26, any number, you don't converge.
Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by layer8 on Monday October 23, 2023 @06:11AM
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I like the subject matter, but I find the writing much too long-winded for my taste, with all the “you” and “we” and “let’s” and so on. That conversational style might work in a video, but as written text I find it exhausting.
Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by nh23423fefe on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:32AM
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There isn't some state where you are "carrying the one" and the number is different. Carrying is just an algorithm to canonicalize a number w.r.t. to a radix.
consider the natural number 9. it is always equal to (1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+0)
but the radix is what determines allowable digits in the representation.
in any radix >9 you simply write 9, now consider radix=7
you will compute the fact 9 = 7^1*1 + 1^1*2, which implies the numeral is 12. because 9 = 9 + 0 = 7 + (9 - 7) = 7 + 2 = 10_7 + 2_7 = 12_7
computing coefficients doesn't change a number or a sum.
Re:Marvelous Arithmetics of Distance
by svat on Monday October 23, 2023 @01:52PM
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Given that
a = ···256259918212890625
and
b = ···743740081787109376
already they "make no sense" as natural numbers. (And they aren't.) We can define p-adic addition more formally, and "following the usual rule for adding numbers" (giving c = ···000000000000000001) is just serving as useful motivation in the meantime (that's why the author says "it seems"). You can look up the formal addition rule for p-adic integers, but meanwhile if you accept that the sum c=a+b is also going to be a p-adic integer, then you can think about: if c is not ···000000000000000001, what else could it be? (If you pick a certain position, say the 100 trillionth digit from the right, what is that digit of c going to be? Same for any other position other than the rightmost one.)
(Another analogy: If you consider that 1.0000 - 0.3333 = 0.6667, and 1.00000 - 0.33333 = 0.66667, etc, when you say 1.00000… - 0.33333… = 0.66666…, do you wonder about “where did the 7” go? Footnote 5 in the post discusses this.)
I don't know what this is supposed to convey. Modern mathematics is one of the most amazing, marvelous, beautiful etc. achievements of the mind. I wish more people could appreciate that.
"Magic" is also a word we can use about Math because we know no true magic exists. Therefore when something is said to be "magic" we know it means something "looks like magic".
For the Magician (/Mathematician) it of course doesn't look like magic because they clearly understand and see how it works.
So, you are perhaps the Mathematician/Magician for whom it doesn't look like magic but for the rest of many of us it does. We are even willing to pay for the ticket to see magicians perform their "magic" and to marvel at it.
Or mathemagician. ;-)
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gyHKCDq1YA
Thanks for writing it and clueing me into the idea!
> b = ···743740081787109376
No you don't. Trying with 6, 16, 26, any number, you don't converge.
6^25 ends in ...376
6^125 ends in ...9376
6^625 ends in ...09376
and so on
Edit: Arguably there is a weird kind of metric in that, so not completely wrong I guess...
I've seen this before, and it makes no sense. Is it common to ignore that you are carrying a one?
consider the natural number 9. it is always equal to (1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+0)
but the radix is what determines allowable digits in the representation.
in any radix >9 you simply write 9, now consider radix=7
you will compute the fact 9 = 7^1*1 + 1^1*2, which implies the numeral is 12. because 9 = 9 + 0 = 7 + (9 - 7) = 7 + 2 = 10_7 + 2_7 = 12_7
computing coefficients doesn't change a number or a sum.
(Another analogy: If you consider that 1.0000 - 0.3333 = 0.6667, and 1.00000 - 0.33333 = 0.66667, etc, when you say 1.00000… - 0.33333… = 0.66666…, do you wonder about “where did the 7” go? Footnote 5 in the post discusses this.)