Re:Why children of married parents do better, but America is...
by konschubert on Sunday October 22, 2023 @09:54AM
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On a slightly related note, why is it that one gets lynched on twitter nowadays any time one brings up that "correlation doesn't imply causation"?
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Re:Why children of married parents do better, but America is...
by mikrl on Sunday October 22, 2023 @09:58AM
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Are you sure there is a causative relation between bringing it up and getting eviscerated?
Perhaps a third process correlates them.
Re:Why children of married parents do better, but America is...
by konschubert on Monday October 23, 2023 @06:41AM
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I am sure, because people literally say: 'I will ban anyone who says "correlation doesn't imply causation"'
Re:Why children of married parents do better, but America is...
by pram on Sunday October 22, 2023 @07:21PM
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Because it has become a lazy thought terminating cliche since people say it and then contribute nothing else of value.
Re:Why children of married parents do better, but America is...
by konschubert on Sunday October 22, 2023 @07:28PM
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But what if the thoughts were dumb?
Re:Why children of married parents do better, but America is...
by konschubert on Monday October 23, 2023 @06:42AM
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It's also lazy and pointless to have a discussion based on 0 evidence.
Re:Why children of married parents do better, but America is...
by gemstones on Sunday October 22, 2023 @08:06PM
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Because it’s on you to show what about the correlation makes causation unlikely, and most people don’t take that step. We all know correlation isn’t causation, that’s trite and obvious. Why wouldn’t the correlation between married parents and better child outcomes be causative?
Re:Why children of married parents do better, but America is...
by konschubert on Monday October 23, 2023 @06:39AM
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"what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"
It's on the person who is implying a causation to state why they think that there is such a causal relationship.
Marriage success and child success have so many other things that they are correlated to: Home ownership, IQ, wealth, zip code, parental educational background, ability to talk about feelings, empath, conflict skill, ...,
So somebody comes around and picks "Marriage" out of this huge list, and somehow now the burden is supposed to be on the listeners to disprove it?
Re:Why children of married parents do better, but America is...
by gemstones on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:23AM
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Maybe in high school debate class, it is. But for established societal norms that most people can see the benefits of, someone who comes in with a fringe belief is expected to provide a more interesting answer. If someone said “correlation is not causation” to the assertion that people who go to the gym regularly are more fit, people would dismiss them out of hand and treat them like an annoyance too.
Re:Why children of married parents do better, but America is...
by defrost on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:32AM
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That's an incredibly weak and overly dismissive counter to genuine examples of covariant potential causes.
It's seems clear that socio economic status has an enormous influence on child outcomes and is clearly intertwined with other factors.
Do better.