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Re:Ketamine's effect on depression may hinge on hope by Natsu on Friday October 20, 2023 @03:26AM (#37953290)
> but rather the actual transcendent experience of the trip

I've seen the results ketamine can give first hand, and the dangers of it, but I'm more convinced it may just be getting proper sleep given the connection between sleep apnea and depression.

I would bet that if they engineer a version that does not cause psychosis it will work just as well for the population it does work on. And we should not be quick to dismiss psychosis, it's a major risk factor for violence, something I have also seen first hand.

Re:Ketamine's effect on depression may hinge on hope by omginternets on Friday October 20, 2023 @03:28PM (#37960432)
To your point, I think that what you describe is also a common cause for depression. As Freud said (paraphrasing): most of my patient's aren't mentally ill, they just haven't learned how to live well. There is much to be said for the idea that psychological needs are (mostly) physiological needs like sleep, food, water and exercise. If we extend that to include social needs like love, security, a healthy sex life, stimulating conversation and adventure, we start to approach a notion of transcendence.
Re:Ketamine's effect on depression may hinge on hope by Natsu on Friday October 20, 2023 @08:43PM (#37963084)
In our case, I think sleep apnea is a cause. Tripping was never really happening and relief brought on by ketamine was never more than temporary.

But it is true that ketamine can cure depression, at least for a time. It's effectiveness is not something you merely guess at like most meds, if it's working, it seems to simply get rid of the depression outright.

So... definite potential and definite danger, though I think the trips are likely harmful, rather than being the benefit of it.