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Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by danpalmer on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:50AM (#37898444)
I sometimes teach those new to software development. ChatGPT seems to have supplanted Stack Overflow.

It's the same behaviour of course, blindly copy/pasting errors into ChatGPT, unquestioningly copying output back, and as far as I can tell the results don't seem to be that much better, just quicker.

Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by basisword on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:55AM (#37898516)
I used ChatGPT recently to develop an iOS app (I'm an iOS dev, but I wasn't proficient with SwiftUI at the time). ChatGPT astounded me. When I copied something that didn't work, I could tell it "hey I get this error" and it would reply with the necessary changes. I was able to get an MVP together this way. I learn by doing and I learnt much more quickly using this method than reading guides/watching YouTube/reading docs. Until that point I didn't fully get the AI craze.
Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by Wherecombinator on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:00AM (#37898556)
I’ve been interested in using chatgpt to learn SwiftUI but chatgpt’s cut off date scared me away. Did you face any issues?
Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by starbugs on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:10AM (#37898684)
Current cutoff date is Jan 2022. That's iOS 15 out for a couple of months which is good enough for most things in my experience. If your deployment target really already is iOS 16, the gaps can be filled with the documentation and other sources.
Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by basisword on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:17AM (#37898772)
This was about 6 months ago and I had no issues that it wasn't able to solve. It might not know about the latest features, but I don't think that matters unless you're building something cutting edge. It'll try to show you how to build what you want using the features set it's familiar with. It's probably better now with the browse plugin too.
Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by another2another on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:57AM (#37898532)
>It's the same behaviour of course, blindly copy/pasting errors into ChatGPT, unquestioningly copying output back, >and as far as I can tell the results don't seem to be that much better, just quicker.

This is actually a shame, as lots of very knowledgeable and helpful people have answered questions over the years on SO, and sometimes the comments and discussions are just as useful as the accepted answer.

Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by bayindirh on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:02AM (#37898581)
Yes, it used to be like that, but these good people have left SO long time ago. People with higher scores started to harass lower scored people, regardless of the questions they have asked.

After a couple of "you do know nothing, go play over there" replies, I stopped visiting and participating in SO, and even started to avoid going there because the answers' quality started to go down as well.

They tried to solve it with a CoC, better moderation, etc., but they only slowed down the process a little. In my eyes, it became a free Experts Exchange filled with people with short temper.

If I knew better, or my half day search yielded better results, I wouldn't be asking with all that I know, in that poor form. Judging me because I'm not as knowledgeable as you is not a good way to help people, it seems.

Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by wokwokwok on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:07AM (#37898645)
> sometimes the comments and discussions are just as useful as the accepted answer

...but, mostly not.

Mostly, they're quite useless. ...and I say that with a considered opinion, not a knee jerk of irritation.

SO is fundamentally a site where up voting lifts relevant answers and down voting sinks irrelevant stuff.

However, comments are a side-step into non-voting, non-karma related content, that violates that fundamental premise. Comments simply give people a way to game the system; you can say unhelpful useless things, and the worst thing that can happen is the comment is flagged for moderator review. You can answer the question without it being a 'real' answer... only now it's harder to find.

The benefit of comments is entirely lost by the way they are abused in practice.

...so, realllly, if you want to chat about the solution, then chatGPT is the way to go, not SO. SO was never the place for that.

So.. you know. It's not much of a loss really, compared to what you get with a chat bot that's happy to talk to you patiently asking dumb questions literally forever. :)

Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by skepticATX on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:10AM (#37898683)
I'd argue that ChatGPT is worse, especially for beginners, for two reasons:

1) Nobody thinks that Stack Overflow is a magic oracle. Most people do think that ChatGPT is.

2) Quality of Stack Overflow answers can be quickly judged by looking at upvotes. Lots of upvotes does not guarantee that an answer is quality, but it is a signal that is very useful especially when you aren't capable of judging the answer yourself.

Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by sebzim4500 on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:59AM (#37898555)
I don't think it's better in terms of results, but at least it doesn't close your question as duplicate/irrelevant/opinion
Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by genedan on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:00AM (#37898557)
Since ChatGPT relies on Stack Overflow and similar sites for training data, it's only really going to be as good what's already on the Web.

So it can't replace these sites in their entirety, because if those sites decline, so will the quality of ChatGPT responses. I suppose there will be some kind of mediocre equilibrium.

Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by _rm on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:04AM (#37898613)
I'm not sure that's true. If ChatGPT reaches the point it can fully comprehend entire open source codebases and docs, of the tech that's the basis of a given question, it'll be able to guess solutions without human middlemen.
Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by willsmith72 on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:55AM (#37898510)
I definitely find them better, with gpt4 at least. The main hiccups are with the latest libraries/versions of things.

It beats searching various SO questions, some of which don't have answers, some are too old, some are hard to read.

The best part is being able to ask for further clarification, or feeding the answer into a fresh context chat to help find problems

Re:Stack Overflow announces 28% headcount reduction by contravariant on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:55AM (#37898508)
Best use case I've found so far for ChatGPT is using phind.com to search Stack Overflow and integrate the answers with whatever other relevant documentation it could find.

Sometimes it's a 1:1 copy of stackoverflow, sometimes it's a bit more. Either way it saves me a few minutes searching for the relevant post.