Think bigger. For eons and millennia society has been structured this way since forever. It's only in the recent three or four decades has there been a cultural shift. Men have been taking home the income since they were hunting, farming and now programming.
Women taking home the money is a new thing. That only happened in the last 50 or so years. And the social pressures aren't even forcing them to take home the money. To women, it's just an option. For men the pressure is worse. For men it's a social requirement... the survival of the family unit still rests entirely on their shoulders.
But again this is besides the point. The main question here is, how does this new opportunity for women to make money suddenly make women deserve a hand out when they choose divide the time devoted to these new opportunities with care giving? You do less work and as a business owner I have to give you the same pay because you're entitled to it? How does that logic work out? It doesn't.
If an employee works 4 days a week and obviously has his/her attention divided to other endeavors how does he/she deserve a promotion? Are you kidding? Maybe in her eyes she deserves a promotion, but as a business owner I'd rather promote the single guy who is 100% dedicated because he's the one that actually deserves it.
That being said if society wants to make themselves better and give hand outs to women for caregiving... I'm all for it. But don't twist it any other way. What's going on here is a charity. A kind gift to caregivers who are not entitled to said gift in any way.
Don't come to me as if women deserve promotions because they have kids to take care of or social pressures to deal with. That's just garbage. Also don't get me started on the pressures on men, it's magnitudes larger than it is for women, magnitudes and we don't go around screaming for a handout.
> Women taking home the money is a new thing.
This is ill founded claptrap smacking of near zero exposure to working history.
Farms in history would fail without women doing vast amounts of seriously hard work.
Hunter-Gather societies mainly functioned on what was gathered, predominantly by women.
It took both working together to make these things work.
China: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10834-014-9417-0
Afghanistan: https://ivypanda.com/essays/gender-role-in-afghanistan/#:~:t....
Western culture: (also describes the recent societal change) https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Breadwinner_model
Congo: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0192513X2110223...
Ancient greece: https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/greek-culture/greek-culture...
India: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/02/key-findi...
Mayan culture: https://samnoblemuseum.ou.edu/collections-and-research/ethno....
Inuit: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Inuit_women
mesoamerica: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Gender_roles_in_pre-Columbian_Me...
There's a consistent pattern here that illustrates a general norm.
Modern Chinese wives in the US has F-All to do with traditional farming or Hunter Gatherers.
Home school essays submitted that outline the writers own particular bias are not exactly peak Histographic study.
An essay on Mayan division of labor does not undercut the reality that there's a ton of work to do and it gets split up (see my closing point), it actually reinforces it.
To reiterate - woman work just as hard as men in traditional farming and hunter gatherer lifestyles and your wealth of links don't run counter to that statement.
But even so an "essay" isn't wrong. I can find tons more because this pattern is real. Just a simple search yields so many results. Rather then attack the weakest link in an obvious counter strategy that has an agenda you should address the overall point at hand in good faith discussion. It's like I present to you 10 links and you dismiss the whole thing because one was an "essay" give me a break.
I never said women don't work as hard as men don't put words in my mouth. But the roles of what men and women do generally have clear delineation.
>It's not to your credit that you attempt to bludgeon yor way through with a mass of links in the hope that no one will look closely.
It's not because I didn't do this. All I did was do a quick search to prove your obviously wrong point wrong.
It's not to your credit to provoke such an accusatory and targeted attack.
You say I hope you wouldn't look to closely... well you looked closely and took 2 minor and miniscule details and constructed a full fledged baseless counter attack. Yeah, sure. What you're doing is called a witch hunt, doesn't look like your trying to start a discussion... Seems your in it for optics.
If I was in it for the optics, this point wouldn't even be brought up. Threads like this attract negative karma for me because it's not a mainstream opinion.
Bro, I want you to look closely. Press your eyes on every letter. You present facts which you pulled out of your ass, I present sources. Address the sources wholistically.
I will not engage in much of this angry diatribe because if you use words like "charity" and "hand outs", you're placing yourself on a level of discourse reserved for redpilled /pol/ commenters and angry incels. Please reflect on the high emotional content, and where these emotions flow from. It's not pretty imo.
The one comment I want to make is that you're missing my point, out of your own malice or out of my lack of clarity, so here goes.
I tell my coworkers (I'm male) that I'll be gone for three months after the birth of our daughter: "but isoprophlex, you don't breastfeed, why stay at home at all?". Out of ~15 weeks leave, only one is fully paid. As long as societies, and expectations, are structured in such a way that women are pressured into leaving the workforce (relatively compared to men), the divide will keep existing.
This was my point.
No need for frothing about how you'd "never promote a 4d/wk resource over one who's 100% dedicated."
This is a myopic, reductionist take. You're missing the forest for the trees. It is not a matter of women choosing not to work as hard as men, it is a matter of society being structured in such a way that men are disproportionately not involved in raising a family, and women being delegated to the task of caregiver even though they themselves would like more equality.
Economically, women are pressured to stay out of the workplace for 6+ months, whereas men get a couple of days-weeks to stay at home.